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What is the source of that info?--dotz 18:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
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Shining-Armor (talk) 19:45, July 18, 2015 (UTC)
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Alright, I really tried, but I can't wrap my head around the bts section for this article. Imho, if anything, that kind of bts is more suitable for the actual item articles, and it already was there (Montrose) or I added it (Atomic Claret). Also:
a) A wine (CM) that isn't confirmed to be of French origin in the game, yet we point out in detail that it is based on the real-world company?
b) Chateau Lafayette - isn't confirmed to be a French wine either, yet we refer to a chateau, which is also known as Chateau Lafayette in real-world France, but isn't a winery? How does that make any sense. Not to mention that there is a Chateau Lafayette winery in upstate NY, so it really is speculation.
Mind you, I don't get what any of this has to do with the mentions of France or French as a language. Imho it is really just the wrapping of real-world information onto things, which may or may not have anything to do with France.
–Findabair
The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 08:18, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- I would say not appropriate for the article. The real world countries content policy states that, "Using a language or accent common to the place does not merit inclusion on a page in its own right, nor does an ancestral link or name/world etymology justify a page," which clearly spells out that a French word =/= product of France. -
kdarrow take her for a spin! 08:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yesterday during the Meeting of the Minds, everyone seemed to agree with the following sentence: "Direct mentions of France in the main body, and mentions of locations that are in France irl in BTS".
- Chateau Montrose is an IRL castle in France but the game doesn't specifically say "Chateau Montrose, France". So while not a direct mention of France, the game is mentioning a location that is in France IRL. I genuinely don't see how the current BTS section is not what was agreed upon yesterday. Didn't knew about Chateau Lafayette in NY, as I only searche on wikipedia.
- Anyway, feel free to do whatever you want about this, clearly we have a different though process about what a wiki is and this is all so very exhausting. Xporc (talk) 09:49, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- Looks like I went to bed before that agreement was reached, otherwise I would have spoken out against it and wouldn't have had trouble wrapping my head around this.
- And no, the game mentions only the wine ("a detestable Chateau Montrose 2043"), not the location or any winery on it. Since it is a famous winery in the real world, it is logical to make those connections, but the location is never referred to in the game, hence it doesn't make sense to have it on the France article imho.
- As for Chateau Lafayette, it is mentioned by one line of dialogue in Fallout 2, referring to "a case of Chateau Lafayette 2155". So either France was still exporting wine 78 years after the bombs dropped, which would be quite a logistical feat given the devastation we know of, or the wine originates from some place else. Either way, it is speculative at best, but I'm pretty sure that it does not refer to a real-world place in France, which has no history with wine whatsoever.
- Different thought processes, or maybe just a different scope of what we want to have on the wiki. Whatever it may be, I'm sincerely sorry to hear that this is exhausting for you. Maybe consider taking a break to recharge your batteries? After all, it is not worth risking your health (or sanity) over a video game wiki. –Findabair
The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 12:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)