The Outcast Collection Agent
The Outcast Collection Agent
You are asked to trade certain pieces of technology such as power armor (power armor marked only as "power armor" or Enclave power armor; you cannot trade Brotherhood power armor), some energy weapons, sensor modules, and scrap metal to Protector Casdin at Fort Independence. In return he will give you your choice of the following, in quantities according to the perceived value of the item:
Once the Lone Wanderer has gained 50 "points" (see table below), they are told that they are considered friendly by the Outcasts. This allows for infiltration of Fort Independence without encountering the hostility of the residents (see Getting In). Casdin also stops confiscating any Outcast power armor that the player has.
 Value table
|Item||Base Value||Base ID||Points||5.56mm||Grenades||RadAway||Stimpaks|
|Scrap metal (2)1||2 (For two)||00031944||1||12||1||1||1|
|Alien power cell (12)1||120 (For 12 Charges)||00029364||7||240||11||11||11|
|Power armor||740 (T-45D)||00014E13||6||192||9||9||9|
|Power helmet||110 (T-45D)||00014C08||3||48||3||3||3|
|Enclave power armor||780||0004443F||7||240||11||11||11|
|Enclave power helmet||110||0004443E||3||48||3||3||3|
1Scrap metal must be traded in groups of two; alien power cells must be traded in groups of twelve.
2Casdin will not take Tesla helmets.
- Condition does not matter when trading in scavenged technology, and traded items become fully repaired and should remain in Casdin's inventory until he dies (see the Bugs section for more).
- Items can be recovered from Casdin's inventory using pickpocketing, Paralyzing Palm, and weapons with a knock-down effect such as the Victory rifle, Gauss rifle, or cryo grenades. Being caught pickpocketing will not turn Casdin hostile, but other methods will if you have not traded enough items to earn "trusted" status. If Casdin is turned hostile it will not turn other Outcasts hostile, and Casdin will become friendly again in as little as 3 hours.
- Casdin will not accept unique versions of any equipment or add-on content.
- If you speak with Protector Casdin while carrying or wearing Outcast power armor, he confiscates the armor unless you have gained 50 "Points" and earned his trust, in which case he doesn't mention it. (Verified on 360 and PC) He will not attempt to confiscate the unique item Linden's Outcast power armor if it is equipped.
- If you have one of the pieces of technology equipped, you will not be given an option to turn in other items of the same type.
- when you trade him power armor, such as Tesla armor or a power helmet, he will wear that instead of his usual apparel because they have higher DR than his armor.
- Once you have earned the trust of the Outcasts, you will still need to lockpick the door to get in.
 Collecting for caps?
You can make a profit from Casdin by re-selling the items you trade him for. But is it worth it? First, here are the items you can receive, and their value:
- Stimpaks at base value of 25
- Frag grenades, value 25.
- RadAways, value 20.
- 12 5.56mm rounds, value 12. (12x1)
As you can see on the value table, in any one deal, you can receive an equal number of one of these: stimpaks, frag grenades, or RadAway. Or, you can receive a higher number of 5.56mm bullets. For the items besides the bullets, the stimpaks and frags are worth more than the RadAway, so the stimpaks pretty much win out of these three on a purely profit basis - they're weightless.
The 5.56mm rounds do not scale the same as the other three items. As the number of reward points increase, the better the ratio of bullets to the other rewards. For example, there's a 12:1 ratio at 1 point, but a 24.2:1 ratio (484/20) at 10 points. However, if you compare the value of rounds to the value of stimpaks for any given item, stimpaks always win. At the low end, you get 2.083 times the value (sensor module: 1 stimpak = value 25 vs. 12 bullets = value 12). At the high end, stimpaks still (barely) win at 1.033 the value (alien blaster: 20 stimpaks = 500 vs. 484 bullets). So, stimpaks (or frags) are always the best reward, on a pure profit basis.
If items you collect are in very good repair, almost none are profitable to "launder" through Casdin. (Barter skill doesn't matter here, because both the original item and the reward are usually subject to barter, even though Casdin isn't.) The only things that at least break even when at 100% repair are:
- Alien power cells (base value: 120 for 12), which will show a 2.3x return (275 for 11 stimpaks) - but these cells are few and far between, and priceless if you want to use alien weapons
- The alien blaster (full value 500) itself just breaks even (20 stimpaks) at 100% repair... but it's extremely rare and valuable, plus, who'd repair it with the Firelance, anyway?
- Finally, 2 scrap metals are worth 20 (with Walter's Scrap Metal quest), but get you a stimpak worth 25. In this one case alone, your Barter skill must be very high (>80), because Walter's 20 caps are not subject to barter, while selling stimpak rewards is.
Conversely, if items are in bad repair, Casdin still gives his full reward. This makes them worth considering. For example, if degraded to 25% of their full value:
- You'd make 4x profit on the alien blaster at 25% repair (value 125 vs. 500 for stimpaks), but again, you'd probably not do it. (Unless pickpocketing Casdin - but that's an entirely different story.)
- Enclave and regular power helmets (base value 110; 25% value 28) will make a 2.7x profit (3 stimpaks = 75)
- Tesla power armor makes 1.6x profit and Enclave power armor makes 1.4x when at 25%
- Regular power armor only makes 1.2x when at 25%
- The plasma pistol and plasma rifle only get ~.76x (you lose money), and
- The laser pistol and laser rifle only get ~.52x (you lose half your money), at 25%.
So weapons need to be in really bad shape to make a profit via Casdin - plasma weapons should be less than ~20% repair, and Laser weapons should be less than ~10%.
The sensor module is always a bad deal, on a pure profit basis - you're cashing in something worth 30, for something worth 25 at best. But they can be accumulated earlier than the other items to meet the point requirement for getting into Fort Independence, in exchange for grenades or ammunition that exist in limited supplies at low level. The 250 cap loss (50*(30-25)) is a small price to pay for early access to the Outcast's interior. Still, sensor modules are also an important component of bottlecap mines, which are probably the best early money makers from schematics, and take 373 damage per mine. Maybe scrap metal is better for getting into Fort Independence early.
If you have The Pitt, things are a little different and a lot more convoluted. Trading for the 5.56 ammunition starts making sense, as the ammo press can convert the 5.56 into other ammunition types. Converting the 5.56 into 5mm at a 1:3 ratio makes it the most profitable (although long-winded) path. For example, converting a low quality laser rifle into 96 5.56mm ammunition with Casdin, then into 288 5mm ammunition at the ammo press will allow the player to then sell them at about 0.6 bottlecaps per round (with middling Barter) or about 170 bottlecaps. As a poor condition laser rifle can be bought in some shops for about 50 bottlecaps, the rate of return is decent.
In summary, is it worth funneling items through Casdin to generate caps? Yes, you can make money - but it's probably not worth all the hassle.
Still, you can use math to see which items are best for getting in to Fort Independence cheaply and/or early:
- Scrap metal, particularly if your Barter is high (but you'll need 100! that's 1000 caps Walter's not giving you.)
- Sensor modules, if you want to get into Ft. Independence quick and aren't worried about bottlecap mines.
- If your barter is low, give banged-up power helmets or power armor, or really banged up plasma weapons, or practically dead laser weapons.
- You can purchase low condition laser weapons from various vendors and make a profit:
- Flak and Shrapnel in Rivet City normally stock 2 low quality laser pistols at 25 caps each (With 10% Rivet City Merchant's discount). One laser pistol is worth 2 stimpaks, which at a price of 66 for 2 from vendors, is a great profit.
- Tulip in the Underworld sells two low condition laser rifles at 52 caps each. Laser rifles are worth 4 points which is 5 stimpaks, 5 RadAway, 5 grenades or 96 5.56 ammunition. This is a great way to make profit.
- A great way to make money is to collect a large amount of scrap metal (50 - 100) and give it to Casdin, then pickpocket it back. You can collect as much 5.56 ammunition or as many stimpaks as you like (if you can stand clicking through the dialogue for that long), you'll gain enough points to be trusted by the Outcasts, and you can then go give your scrap metal to Walter afterwards to negate the karma loss due to the pickpocketing.
- prid 42196, resurrect, moveto player Sometimes Protector Casdin can be found dead. On the PC, this can be fixed by using the console commands:
- Sometimes even after the trust you still can't go in the fort. The door will still be locked and it will appear red. But the soldiers are not hostile.
- based on season above, upon levering if you picked the lock Rockford will be hostile