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name[]
This article needs a more neutral name, Shaun was a custom name given. - Greets Peace'n Hugs (talk) (blog) 10:18, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Absolutely. It was said in the presentation that there'll be 1000 possible names for "Shaun".
--Brainsbeer (talk) 15:27, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Nobody ever mentions changing Shaun's name. The closest they say is that they change Shaun's appearance based off your appearance. Paladin117>>iff bored; 15:58, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
---"We actually have recorded 1000 of the most popular names for him to say" see here: https://youtu.be/jXzlkJEUPDs "Shaun" is not the character's name, it is indeed neutral.
- Man named howard is giving the presentation, names character howard, robot says howard, HOward then says "you heard the robot say my name, that is not for the presentation we actually recorded over 1000 oft he most popular names for him to say"... how you even got the idea that Shauns name was selectable out of that... is beyond me. ralok (talk) 19:59, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
- "Beyond you"? you really wanna commit to that, "beyond you"? People don't usually get to name their parents, that's why James's name wasn't selectable, but, as it shockingly turns out in real life, people DO usually get to name their children. No, it has not been confirmed that the baby's name is selectable, but it hasn't been confirmed its set as Shaun either. So I think caution should be taken in addressing the topic, but I also don't think you should stubbornly dismiss that, in a game with over 1,000 male and female names programmed to be recognized, it is completely "beyond" you and the scope of possibilities and reality that you just MIGHT get to name your own child. And I think a note in the Notes section to that effect could clear up this entire issue. Within you yet?Whatever22 (talk) 09:23, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
- At no time has any specific mention been made about any option to change any names apart from that of the player character, as the Sole Surviver. Also, there is little point that the baby would have any other name given that the spouse and baby don't make it out of Vault 111 also after 200 years. The same with the spouse. They do have some roll we know during the game (possibly just as memories/ flashbacks) but as to what we have no idea yet beyond giving the Sole Surviver the Pre-war experience of a normal family life. Any opinion currently that either could be named also is pure speculation and therefore doesn't have a place in the article. Lunamoonraker (talk) 10:35, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
- Right, I got it. I never said I didn't. But people don't usually get to name their spouses either, so that example doesn't work either. People get to name their children, and that's usually it. This is the first Fallout where you have a child, as well as the first where certain NPCs can learn to say specific names. I couldn't care less if it's added to the article, I was more making a point towards Ralof of riverwood or whatever the above's name is to not be a jerk unless you can also guarantee you sound smart. No it's not been confirmed you can name the baby, but it's not been confirmed you CAN'T either (as far as I know). So, then, to snarkily take a stance that it's "beyond you" why people might think you can name your own child (in a game that is probably gonna want to take advantage of its new name recognition with more than just one name), and to completely dismiss the idea of changing the name to "Sole Survivor's baby" with a note that the name is unconfirmed, just sounds kinda toolish, but also in a dumb way.
Also we know nothing about the story yet. Speculative spoiler warning, but who knows? Maybe the baby was raised until like 20, then cryo'd, and is out there doing very not nice things now. Having named him yourself will certainly add to the bond I never felt with James, and make certain parts way more emotional.Whatever22 (talk) 23:27, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
- You know Whatever22, I was saying it was "beyond me" how people were interpreting what Todd Howard said to mean that Shauns name could be changed or selected. In no way was I saying definitively that Shaun could or could not be changed. As this is a discussion about what Todd Howard said... What Todd Howard said was very clear, and in no way even slightly indicated that Shauns name was selectable. ralok (talk) 07:46, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
lock the page[]
Looking at the pages history, its fairly appearant that people werent listening for well during the E3 presentation... and they insist upon adding untrue bits of trivia. If the problem persists shouldnt the page be locked? ralok (talk) 01:06, June 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Locking articles goes against the very nature of the wiki itself. Diligence is a virtue - with editors such as yourself always keeping a watchful eye, we can make sure that our articles are up to quality standards, whenever possible. There are a few scenarios in which locking articles becomes a necessity, but those scenarios are involved in a rather extreme point of the spectrum. User:Sarkhan the Sojourner 08:34, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
- I think people making the same edit over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, that has been disproven into oblivion and beyond, and can only qualify as trolling at this point... qualifies this article for being locked until the game is released. ralok (talk) 08:37, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
- I am sorry that you feel that way. In my opinion, however, I believe that the wiki should cater to the entire wiki - allowing everyone to edit and improve this article as they see fit. Being locked just to stop a few edit-wars, and not that many to be honest, after looking through the history, means that the only thing being catered to, is the convenience of a few users.
- I prefer freedom over convenience. User:Sarkhan the Sojourner 08:44, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
SHAUN's Fate! SPOILER ALERT[]
+ + + + + According to a leaked video Shaun is snatched from his mother's/father's hands by raiders who broke into Vault 111 they kill the parent and escape, then sometimes later the protagonist gets out to find him 13:20, November 2, 2015 (UTC)
Oho![]
Apparently, the ones that played Fallout 4 (probably testers) claim Shaun becomes a robot and is the final boss. Well, hopefully there won't be cutting content, unlike the one in Fallout 3 regarding James. ☢ Energy X ☣ 13:34, November 7, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not trying to express doubt, this is an honest question: How reliable is the source that said that? You guys are 100% sure?? --96.28.183.138 04:20, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
Well, the sources only say they played the game and know such thing happened. People asked if it is true and things were confirmed.
I can only assume we could see a bit of cut content over here and there. ☢ Energy X ☣ 10:27, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
Spoiler Warning Needed[]
A spoiler warning should be needed or at least have adult Shauns picture after baby Shauns its a major spoiler Blitzbear93 (talk) 14:31, November 7, 2015 (UTC)Blitzbear93
Yeah i looked at the page to see if there was much information on how shauns apperance was egenrated seeing that major spoiler has...runined a larve deal of the game for me -_- Blitzbear93 (talk) 11:17, November 9, 2015 (UTC)Blitzbear93
Grounds for rename?[]
I'm wondering, since Shaun ends up becoming Fallout 4's antagonist and apparently adopts the name "Father", should we rename the article to that, similar to how the Master is handled? We know the Master's original name, but it isn't used in his article's title. Clockpuncher (talk) 00:22, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
I don't know about that. Know that Shaun's name is known from the beginning and throughout the game you will know to seek Shaun, not "father". ☢ Energy X ☣ 00:31, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
- Edit: I turned Father into a disambiguation page that points to both James (Fallout 3) and Shaun.
- (Edit Conflict - @Energy X) I know, but what if Shaun/Father doesn't see himself as Shaun, since he's likely been Father for the greater portion of his life? What if, unlike the Master, he never knew his original name because he was kidnapped at such an early age? I guess what I'm really asking is, do we name articles based on who players know a character as, who a character personally identifies as, or some other metric like what name appears the most in reference to that character in the game's script? Clockpuncher (talk) 00:50, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
- We are going to name the page after the first unique name the character has.
- In this case that is Shaun as both Shaun and James share the title/name of Father.
- Plus, with a disambig page created there is really no good reason to rename the page over the disambig.
- Cool, that's all I needed to hear. Thanks for explaining. Clockpuncher (talk) 01:23, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
No spoiler warning? Are you kidding me? I'm sorry but the "treating the whole wiki as a spoiler" policy is just plain laazy. There is absolutely no care for teh game nor the players when the entirety of F4 story is spoiled by the first THREE lines on this page. Shame on you. --78.29.150.208 14:43, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
Well, as they say, each portion of info is a spoiler. If that does not suit you, the {{Upcoming}} template should. We don't want to hide content, for if you don't want spoilers, then don't read the pages. Simple as that. ☢ Energy X ☣ 14:58, November 8, 2015 (UTC)
- Considering that practically nothing was added besides the spoiler itself, and the person didn't edit any pages he'd be linked to (i.e the Institute page), it's clear whoever added it did so just to spoil it for others. Trolling, essentially.
- Shouldn't we leave heavy story spoilers out until at least launch day? DRAEVAN13 00:38, November 9, 2015 (UTC)
hey maybe you guys should get rid of the spoiler IN THE FIRST FUCKING LINE
- Look, the entirety of this wiki is a spoiler. If you aren't prepared for that, and aren't aware of it, then you probably shouldn't be reading information here. ---bleep196- (talk) 02:48, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
Appearance[]
From the Notes section:
"According to Todd Howard, Shaun's appearance will alter based on the couple's appearance, similar to how James' appearance alters slightly depending on the Lone Wanderer's race in Fallout 3. However this never occurs in game and its unknown whether this is intention or a bug."
This is incorrect. Shaun/Father in my game looks (or looked, I guess, R.I.P.) quite different to the screenshot of him on this page; he has the same eyes as my version of the Sole Survivor and different facial features.
remove "last moments with sole survivor" picture please[]
This seriously needs to be taken down. It's a huge spoiler and it's not fair to have your eyes flit over the caption of something so telling.
Like, yes, one runs the risk of encountering spoilers on the Wikia with all the answers but this is so blatant that it's hard not to look at it. And as an editor, I understand I am helping edit said spoilers on this site. And yes! As people have said above, "this whole Wikia is a spoiler". Even so this should at least be confined to the actual written out part of his story where you EXPECT spoilers to be. Not in an image that you barely have to scroll down to see.
Whatever. In a few months, you wouldn't even care. Just like for other articles about other games. Pfeh. ☢ Energy X ☣ 11:01, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
I am going to change the caption at least so that it isn't so telling. --Indyrenegade (talk) 15:37, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Yet again, this is not a spoiler free wiki. Attempts to censor content will be reverted. Great Mara (talk) 18:39, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
- That doesn't mean you can't at least HIDE IT A BIT, jackass. People won't use the Wiki if every click is a spoiler hazard! How many players have had the game's main plotline ruined for them by going to this article?
- Trust me, that is far from truth. Either come here to read articles (maybe learn a thing or two). Hiding or removing content just beats the reason why we want to present info to the readers. Also, mind not to insult people, it can even give you a block. ☢ Energy X ☣ 22:51, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- The purpose of this site, the reason why people come here - is to enhance their game experience (in one way or another). This site conveys information to enhance the gaming experience. By conveying information that ruins the game experience - you defeat the purpose of the site. This isn't Wikipedia.
- Trust me, that is far from truth. Either come here to read articles (maybe learn a thing or two). Hiding or removing content just beats the reason why we want to present info to the readers. Also, mind not to insult people, it can even give you a block. ☢ Energy X ☣ 22:51, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- Moreover, nobody is asking you to "remove" information, or even particularly "hide it" - just add a bare bones spoiler warning and make it so a first glance at an article can't convey spoilers. Like a MILLION other wikis out there!
- You know, the disdain, even outright contempt, this admin TEAM shows for its readers is really telling for their "give the readers as much info in as short a time as possible, irregardless of why they're visiting the wiki" policy. So you guys know, in the future I'll be telling people not to come here, that the site is maliciously set up to ruin their experience. What you're doing here isn't helping the community. -Griz
- The purpose of this site is an information compendium for the Fallout games, not a spoiler free walkthrough. And good for other wikis. They are irrelevant. And the spoiler policy was decided upon by this community. The disdain you're showing for our decision doesn't garner much sympathy from us in any way. And feel free to say whatever you want, not like it matters. Great Mara (talk) 18:16, January 15, 2016 (UTC)
- You know, the disdain, even outright contempt, this admin TEAM shows for its readers is really telling for their "give the readers as much info in as short a time as possible, irregardless of why they're visiting the wiki" policy. So you guys know, in the future I'll be telling people not to come here, that the site is maliciously set up to ruin their experience. What you're doing here isn't helping the community. -Griz
I agree that the spoiler is a bit of a setback for those playing for the first time, however an article should have the freedom to provide all relevant information. I have seen some Wiki's with Spoiler tags that require a click to reveal particular story-driven information. Perhaps such a feature could be petitioned here? Then such a picture could be moved to a seperate section of this article that requires a spoiler reveal. Just a suggestion, of course. --Dbrown1986 (talk) 05:00, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
Massive spoiler[]
A glimpse at this page is a massive spoiler that ruins the game's main plotline (and did ruin it for me). #1 Include a warning template. #2 Put a picture of Baby Shaun, not grown up Shaun, in the infobox. #3 Remove all mention of what he's called and what he does post-apocalypse - from the lead of the article.
I will just give a link to this. In other words, you came here at your own risk for spoilers. Hiding or removing content is not what we do. ☢ Energy X ☣ 22:48, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- Is that a fact? If that's your policy, then how about you place a warning on your start page? Or to the side, etc? I guarantee you'll then receive less traffic in accordance with the stupidity of your policy, in such a case. In addition to those who leave after they get burned.
- I wonder if you realize that people use the wiki as a means to enhance their playing experience? That that's ultimately the purpose of this place?
- You clearly do not understand what a wiki is, then. You projecting all over the talk-pages, is not going to change the fact that this wiki does not cater to you and your special snowflake sensibilities, or any other single reader for this matter. The rules, which one should always search for and read whenever pulling up a given website, clearly warns our readers that the wiki contains spoilers.
- That is all that the wiki and its editing community owes you. After that, and especially if you fail to follow proper etiquette when visiting a public website by reading the rules, you have no one to blame but yourself. 寧靜
22:56, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- That is all that the wiki and its editing community owes you. After that, and especially if you fail to follow proper etiquette when visiting a public website by reading the rules, you have no one to blame but yourself. 寧靜
- Spoilers are everywhere and we won't slap on each page "Warning, this page may have info that may upset you" or somesuch nonsense. People should know they can expect much when reading articles. And it shouldn't be a surprise when the purpose of the Wiki is to bring complete (objective) info. ☢ Energy X ☣ 22:57, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I see this might be one of those wikis with a tight-knit cabal running the show. I'm not going to talk sense into you, I get it - but please don't talk to me like what I'm saying isn't already implemented in a thousand other wikis. And don't talk to me about "projection" like we're in a San Franciso coffee shop, nothing I said could possibly be construed as such. I've got over 50,000 edits on enWiki, and don't need to be "psychoanalyzed" when I frankly condescend to teach you guys common sense.
- Like I said, whether you like it or not, people come here to enhance their gaming experience - and for NO other reason. That's not "projection", Dr Freud - its a basic, indisputable fact. You convey information that improves the gaming experience: if you did not, nobody would come here. By conveying information that ruins the gaming experience - you defeat the purpose of this site. This isn't freakin' Wikipedia.
- As I said above, nobody is telling you geniuses to delete the data, or even particularly hide it - just give the reader a CHANCE not to see it. Slap on a spoiler warning - at least on articles containing major game-ruining plot twists like this one in their very lead - and make it so the (forewarned) reader would need to scroll down a bit to see the major spoilers. This ought to be until one could reasonably expect the average player to have finished the game once. --Dir
- This really is a horrible policy. While you could say people 'deserve' it for looking up Shaun, spoilers are a problem elsewhere too- like putting companion's races DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH their picture. I'm a spoiler hound, so I don't really mind. But we should at least have the common courtesy to not shove sensitive information directly into the face of people who might be looking up articles to get base IDs, or to find the NPC's typical locations, or what their likes/dislikes are, that kind of thing. No one really cares if they have to scroll down twice to see sensitive info, or click a spoiler tag. But a lot of people care a hell of a lot if they accidentally click something, or wantonly get more info than they were looking for. This wiki will be avoided once word gets out we don't care about people's experiences. This policy should be changed, and the suggestions for changing the picture and not putting the biggest spoiler in the entire game IN THE FIRST SENTENCE should be heeded. Not taking the extra time to account for spoilers is either inconsiderate, or just plain lazy, and it hurts both the readers & the wiki itself. -Griz
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We're getting several complaints about this. I'd be in favor of at least reversing the image so that the baby is at the top of the main infobox and father at the bottom. Maybe some kind of spoiler warning. At least for several weeks. And you don't have to be so rude thank you. Jspoel 
23:18, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- I apologize. I just had the main plot of a 60-dollar game spoiled for me. --Dir
- Oh, you condescend to teach us something do you? Like we're below you? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? Great Mara (talk) 23:26, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- Obviously someone who needs the above spelled out. --Dir
- So in other words, we're supposed to bend knee to someone with no constructive contributions on this wiki who lacks common sense about what content will be found here and has a seriously overinflated ego? I don't think so. You're on the same level as the rest of us, like it or not. Great Mara (talk) 23:32, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- No need to actually kneel... --Dir
- So in other words, we're supposed to bend knee to someone with no constructive contributions on this wiki who lacks common sense about what content will be found here and has a seriously overinflated ego? I don't think so. You're on the same level as the rest of us, like it or not. Great Mara (talk) 23:32, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
- Obviously someone who needs the above spelled out. --Dir
- Oh, you condescend to teach us something do you? Like we're below you? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? Great Mara (talk) 23:26, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
Shaun's Supposed Lack Compassion[]
"though he has a strong desire for humanity to survive - and feels indifferent upon remembering the death of one of his parents. He simply refers the "incident" as "collateral damage" which potentially angers the Sole Survivor."
I am not so sure about this. The game makes it pretty clear that Shaun hates Kellogg to the point that it is implied that he closed the Cyborg Division because Kellogg was a cyborg himself (and his claim it is inhuman sounds fake when you consider his support of FEV research). It was also made clear that Shaun orchestrated Kellogg's death by hands of Sole Survivor and Kellogg himself mentions, during the quest Dangerous Minds, that the old man likely planned it all out. Additionally, the risk of inviting the Sole Survivor to the Institute, have him become his successor (which was both unnecessary and dangerous), creation of Synth Shaun and his attempts to stay on good terms with his parent all suggest that, if anything, he suffers from father/mother complex.
In other words, while we are uncertain of what exactly goes through Shaun's head, there is enough info to doubt that Shaun is as indifferent as he tries to sound. I believe that the contradiction between his supposed indifference and his actions should be pointed out.
--Nayrael (talk) 03:49, December 4, 2015 (UTC)
Considering he's a scientist, too, and raised by scientists, he would also have a lack of emotional attachment towards his work. That's how a lot of institute scientists sound when listening to their interactions with Synths. Referring to the death of a parent as collateral damage makes sense, then, because using that kind of language would distance himself for having any feeling for that. --Indyrenegade (talk) 17:37, December 4, 2015 (UTC)
I believe that whoever wrote this paragraph about Shaun's apparent lack of compassion used the wrong word, and was really thinking about "empathy" rather than "compassion." This is evidenced by this statement, "On other hand, he sometimes does show signs of compassion, most notably in his hatred towards his parent's murderer..." Showing hatred towards his parent's murderer is NOT a sign of compassion by any means, but it does show that he is not an entirely unfeeling person. Being empathetic and being compassionate, while similar, are not exactly the same. I will change "compassion" to "empathy" if at least 1 person agrees with my assessment... --Natnair (talk) 05:56, February 22, 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Natnair. Matetos (talk) 12:26, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Shaun is not an essential character.[]
Shaun is not an essential character. It is very possible to kill Shaun as soon as you meet him - he does not become unconscious, nor does he respawn. Shaun remains dead forever if you kill him at the institute.
I have never seen a Shaun that isn't white. Can somebody post a non Caucasian Shaun?
Possible reference to Sliders TV Show (1995-2000)[]
In Season 3, Episode 11 (State of the A.R.T.), of Sliders, Dr. James Aldohn, of Aldohn Robotics, is a man whom has replaced civilization with synthetic androids (all referred to in generational models), he is referred to by his creations as "Father." Just pointing this out, however; unless confirmed, this is mere speculation, and thus I will not edit the page with this information without concrete evidence which provides such a link. --Dbrown1986 (talk) 04:57, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
baby shaun[]
random trivia, the baby shaun the spouse's carrying during the escape scene at the beginning is a piece of armor. if you use the console to mark the spouse before entering the pod, then move him to yourself with 'moveto 14' after you re-emerge from it, and then either kill or pickpocket him, you'll find an item called "ugly baby", which is an piece of arm equipment. SeriouslyAwesome (talk) 21:15, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
Can you save him at the end?
BaseID & RefID[]
How come they're not listed on the page? (for the record, I show adult Shaun (Father) as 0002a19a and 0005c337 respectively) Noobyorkcity (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- They are, under the "Technical" tab in the infobox. Hope this helps. --Findabair
The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 16:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
The Park[]
This is not about personal preference, but what the game tells. It is canon where Shaun was conceived, so it should be properly added to the page no matter if it's a small detail that changes nothing. The wiki is for documenting what is found in the game. There is no speculation anywhere. And a personal thought, people love to read the small details the most. --Ryon21 
(talk) 18:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- I would say just add the quote, when male sole survivor says x, female sole survivor says y. Then there is no speculation involved. kdarrow take her for a spin! 18:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Should restore the note in full. Saying biographical information wouldn't interest readers is nonsense, and people can very easily deduce conception based on their intimate experiences, explicit factors I won't really be getting into on Fandom. Just like line about getting pregnant again would indicate that Nora had a very clear idea of when Shaun was conceived in reference to that park. Great Mara (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
