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| − | |image desc =An [[NCR Veteran Ranger]] overlooking [[New Vegas|Vegas]]. |
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| − | |leaders =[[Robert House|Mr. House]]<br />[[Aaron Kimball|President Kimball]]<br />[[Caesar]]<br />[[Courier]] |
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| − | |factions =[[Caesar's Legion]]<br />[[New California Republic]]<br />[[New Vegas Strip|The Strip]]<br />[[Chairmen|The Chairmen]]<br />[[Omertas|The Omertas]]<br />[[White Glove Society|The White Glove Society]]<br />[[Freeside]]<br />[[Followers of the Apocalypse]]<br />[[Kings|The Kings]]<br />[[Van Graffs|The Van Graffs]]<br />[[Westside Co-op|Westside Cooperative]]<br />[[Crimson Caravan Company|The Crimson Caravan Company]]<br />[[Gun Runners|The Gun Runners]]<br />[[Boomers]]<br />[[Mojave Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel|Brotherhood of Steel]]<br />[[Goodsprings]]<br />[[Great Khans]]<br />[[Novac]]<br />[[Powder Gangers]]<br />[[Primm]]<br />[[Bright Brotherhood]]<br />[[Jacobstown]]<br />[[State of Utobitha]]<br />[[Fiends]]<br />[[Greasers]]<br />[[Jackals]]<br />[[Scorpions (gang)|Scorpions]]<br />[[Vipers]] |
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| + | This is an official notice that the user page image policies stated in our [[Fallout_Wiki:Image_and_video_policy|Image and Video Policy]] will be excluded from the official guidelines. Namely, the section below will be completely erased: |
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| + | <br>'''User page images:''' |
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| + | * Only 5 user page images are allowed per user. If you wish to free up "slots", you need to mark old images for deletion. |
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| + | * The file names of user page images have to start with "User" in order to avoid confusion with images for use in articles. |
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| + | * User page images violating any of these rules will be deleted without warning.}} |
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| + | The rationale for this decision is as follows: |
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| − | {{Quotation|Bull and Bear over the Dam, at each others throats... but a light from Vegas? Ball spinning on the wheel, more than two at the table, placing bets. |
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| + | * The limit of 5 UPIs was enacted when server space limitation was an issue, and this is no longer the case. |
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| + | * The naming convention for UPIs were designed to facilitate identification and search, but since categories already perform that task, this convention is redundant. |
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| + | * Most of the current UPIs are non-compliant to these regulations. The effort to enforce compliance would involve active search for them, forced deletion of UPIs from users with more than 5, and the renaming of literally thousands of images. That would be an obviously immense drudgery for essentially no gain. |
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| + | Please note, however, that administrators will still have the discretion to warn users who upload an unreasonable amount of pictures, specially of pictures unrelated to the wiki. |
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| − | All lose in different ways, a dam of corpses, towns of corpses, scattered across the sand. But whose, in what shares? Even the dealer doesn't know. |
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| + | The reason this exclusion is bypassing the usual community consultation procedure is due to: the technical nature of the issue; it increasing, not decreasing, the general user's freedom; no major opposition to the changes themselves being expected from the community and the staff. |
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| − | Forecast: A rain of blood will flood the desert and not purify it.|[[The Forecaster]]|''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]''}} |
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| + | The decision was unanimously reached by the following staff attending the meeting: |
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| − | The '''Mojave Wasteland''' is a location based on the old world [[Wikipedia:Mojave Desert|Mojave Desert]], and the primary setting of ''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]''. |
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| + | '''Bureaucrats'''<br> |
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| − | ==Background== |
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| + | [[User:Kingclyde|Kingclyde]]<br> |
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| − | Compared to [[Capital Wasteland|Washington D.C.]] (and perhaps surprisingly, given its reputation for nuclear testing), the Mojave survived the [[Great War]] relatively unscathed, but not for lack of trying on the part of the [[China|Chinese]]. At the culmination of the [[Sino-American War]], 77 atomic warheads were launched at the city of [[Wikipedia:Las Vegas|Las Vegas]] and the surrounding areas, but due to intricate defense systems set in place by wealthy businessman [[Robert House|Mr. House]], 59 were forcefully disarmed mid-flight, 9 were blasted out of the sky by a laser guided missile defense system atop the [[Lucky 38|Lucky 38 Hotel & Casino]], and only 9 hit the surrounding desert. |
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| + | [[User:The Gunny|The Gunny]]<br> |
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| + | '''Administrators'''<br> |
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| − | In the years since, the Mojave has largely been ignored by the developing post-apocalyptic civilizations: the [[New California Republic]] in the west, and [[Caesar's Legion]] to the east, thus allowing enemies of such civilizations (raiders, the [[Brotherhood of Steel]], and [[Mariposa super mutant|super mutant]]s, for example) to prosper there. For years, Vegas sat at its heart, decayed by almost two centuries of neglect. But when NCR advance scouts reached [[Hoover Dam]] with the intent of expanding the NCR's borders, pre-War [[Securitron]]s rolled out onto the old [[New Vegas Strip|Las Vegas Strip]] and rallied the three tribes occupying the city, claiming to act on behalf of Mr. House, the man who had saved the city decades prior. By the time NCR reached Vegas, the city was in full working order, and the NCR returned to [[Shady Sands]] with tales of an oasis of light in the middle of the desert. An arrangement was made whereby the NCR were given 95% of Hoover Dam's power output and [[Camp McCarran|McCarran International Airport]] as a regional headquarters, and the Strip, (and secretly Mr. House) retained its sovereignty, as well as the remaining 5% of power. |
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| + | [[User:Limmiegirl|Limmiegirl]]<br> |
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| + | [[User:Tocinoman|Tocinoman]]<br> |
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| + | '''Moderators'''<br> |
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| − | Since then, the combined armies of 86 conquered tribes had arrived from the east, led by [[Caesar]] and his [[Joshua Graham|Malpais Legate]], seeking a city to call their capital. The Legion launched a massive [[First Battle of Hoover Dam|initial attack]] on the Dam and the [[New California Republic Army|NCR troops]] stationed there, but were repelled by the NCR. Most of the credit went to [[Hanlon|Chief Hanlon]] for issuing a tactical retreat to [[Boulder City]] and luring the Legion into a trap, then routing the surviving Legionaries back across the dam, which ultimately led to the execution of the [[Joshua Graham|Malpais Legate]]. The outcome of the battle created a delicate power balance, whereby the tensions between the three big powers in the region (the Strip, the NCR and the Legion) are the only factor keeping one another from attempting to seize total control of the region; should one attack the other, the third would take advantage of the conflict and attack in turn. |
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| + | [[User:Agent c|Agent C]]<br> |
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| + | [[User:ToCxHawK|ToCxHawK]]<br> |
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| + | If there is no opposition to this change, it will enter in effect in three days from now. Please feel free to express opposition in the section below. |
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| − | ==Inhabitants== |
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| − | Due to the fact that few bombs hit the west coast, rebuilding society has been easier. Buildings are more intact, which also includes pre-War factories. This has allowed businesses such as the [[Gun Runners (Fallout: New Vegas)|Gun Runners]] and [[Michael Angelo's workshop]] to continue to run and operate. Technology is more well preserved, thanks to the lack of nuclear fallout, and items like the neon signs that dot the [[New Vegas Strip]], the monorail within [[Camp McCarran]], or the massive generators of the [[Hoover Dam]], are now being repaired to proper working order. |
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| − | Everyday society is equally as stable in some areas and not in others. While small time traders and [[Traveling merchant|Traveling Merchants]] along route 95 and the long 15 make a decent living, it is little compared to that of the larger and more organized traders and caravans with plenty of both manpower and firepower, and those that have managed to acquire pre-War technology, such as the [[Crimson Caravan Company]]. With the expansion, though, corruption and oversight is still in the air as trading monopolies abound as small time suppliers that are either bought out of by larger companies, or simply cannot keep up with the competition. |
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| + | ==Comments== |
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| − | Casinos and [[Gambling]] are popular among the locals in the area, making the [[New Vegas Strip]] a popular hub of activity for merchants, caravans, [[NCR trooper]]s, opportunists, and everyday people wanting to hit it big at the slots. The main casinos, [[The Tops]], [[Gomorrah]] and the [[Ultra-Luxe]], are run by the three tribes that settled in New Vegas. Each has its own personal rules and customs (other than the universal rule against carrying weapons into their casinos). |
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| + | Regretfully, it seems like I have missed this meeting completely. But I fully support the changes being made by fellow members of the administration. {{User:SigmaDelta54/Sig}} 02:24, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | I dig it'''''!''''' |
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| − | Politics, as always, also play a rather large role in the society of the Mojave. The [[NCR]] is finding its war with [[Caesar's Legion]] both increasingly unpopular back in California, and expensive to fund. Caravans and merchants heading to and from the Mojave deal with exorbitant taxes and fees imposed on them by the NCR. [[Caesar's Legion]] is coming ever closer to finding out what happens when their absolute ruler, and God, finally passes away, and is facing the question of what truly unified the Legion in the first place, [[Caesar]]'s ideals, or Caesar himself. The Casinos on the strip have their own agendas and [[Mr. House]] has his own mysterious plans for the Mojave and more specifically, The Strip. |
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| + | * Bandwidth is not an issue. Folks like to be creative. What is not to like? I salute all who supported this effort to allow freer expression. Good job indeed'''''!''''' |
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| + | [[File:User SP Bad Medicine.jpg]] [[User:SaintPain|SaintPain]]→ '''Look for me Dec 22 Y'all know what I'm say'n.''' 03:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Notes== |
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| − | * The Mojave Wasteland did not receive nearly as many nuclear attacks as other parts of the America, and is gifted with many healthy, green plants as a result of the lower radiation levels. [[Nevada agave fruit]] grow in abundance, as do Banana Yucca. The ever-present radioactive fallout has still altered some of the native life, with glowing mushrooms a common sight. Snow is also present in the area so it appears that the pre-War climate was not significantly affected, or has at least recovered. |
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| − | * As a result of the lack of nuclear damage, a large number of native and familiar species have continued to thrive in the Mojave Wasteland. [[Raven]] and a variety of other kinds of birds are seen fairly often in the wastes, pecking through debris and vegetation for food. Likewise, there are fish present in [[Lake Mead]] and several other smaller reservoirs. Coyotes have also managed to survive in the wasteland with little to no mutation. Despite this, the Mojave wastes are still peppered with mutated species, such as [[bighorner]]s, [[brahmin]], along with [[Nightstalker]]s and [[cazador]]s, the last two due to experimentation at the [[Big Empty]]. |
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| − | * Unlike the [[Capital Wasteland]], the Mojave Wasteland has some form of a stable ecosystem. Water encountered throughout the Mojave is safe to drink and does not contain [[radiation]] (for the most part), plant life is found consistently throughout the area, and various animals are encountered on a regular basis and thrive in the mostly undisturbed lands. This is mostly due to the fact that the bombs of the [[Great War]] never hit Vegas land. |
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| − | * As most of the local citizens left behind their homes, much of the surrounding areas have been left untouched (examples: [[Vault 22]], [[H&H Tools Factory]], etc.), while others have been resettled (examples: [[Freeside]], [[Novac]], etc.). As a general rule, either buildings have gone into complete disrepair or are being "restored" by the local population. |
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| − | * According to [[Hanlon]], the state that was once Nevada is more fertile and has more water and greenery than California, as the population in California has exploded and had caused the eventual expansion to go East in search of new opportunities and land. |
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| − | * There are 187 marked locations in the Mojave Wasteland without the [[Wild Wasteland]] trait. With the Wild Wasteland trait there are 188 marked locations. |
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| − | * When looking at the Moon at night, the PC can see it slowly moving. |
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| − | * The sky in the Mojave is astronomically correct, the moon changes phases each day according to the month. |
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| − | * Very distant explosions, shellfire, and gunfire can regularly be heard outdoors throughout the Mojave Wasteland if the player listens carefully, implying that [[Caesar's Legion]] and the [[NCR]] are fighting somewhere in the region, or the [[Boomers]] are firing on potential intruders. The distant "war" sounds are more likely to be heard near contested areas like [[Nellis Air Force Base]] and the [[Colorado River]]. |
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| + | Well, I agree. I have nothing to say, except that the rule 2 should also mention that images with long names should be renamed (if it isn't already written). [[User:Energy X|<span style="color:red">E</span><span style="color:orange">n</span><span style="color:yellow">e</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:blue">g</span><span style="color:purple">y</span> <span style="color:gray">X</span>]] [[User talk:Energy X|∞]] 12:04, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Appearances== |
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| − | * The Mojave Wasteland appears only in ''[[Fallout: New Vegas]]''. |
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| + | For the protocol: I, Theodorico, formally opposing this change of policies. My reasons: |
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| − | ==Gallery== |
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| + | * Suggested procedure violates VA:P while reason, given to do so is completely made-up and is not provided by VA:P. |
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| − | <gallery captionalign="left"> |
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| + | * Undefined term "unreasonable amount of pictures", leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling. |
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| − | MojaveWasteland.jpg |
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| + | * Undefined naming convention for user page images, leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling. |
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| + | * Undefined grounds for deletion of user page images, leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling. |
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| + | Long story short: I belive that current edition is very raw and can use community input, to be improved. |
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| − | [[Category:Fallout: New Vegas locations]] |
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| + | --[[User:Theodorico|Theodorico]] ([[User talk:Theodorico|talk]]) 16:35, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Here's my view on the proposal. If we strike the first rule, it means people can upload dozens of images and I'm not sure if you've thought about it, but I'm always the one doing the categorizing, so that means more tedious work which I'm not really waiting for. And the other way around, removing images from userpages, means another round for me with deleting the images. People are asked to categorize images themselves, but 9 out of 10 just don't do that. The blogpost Limmie just put up may help for a brief moment but not long term. I'm not against ramping it up a bit, 10 or so, if the admins help me out some more with this. That rule 2 and 3 be stricken I'm ok with, images don't necessarily need to start with user; most people aren't even aware they should name it as such. We still need a rule that admins should have the right to rename images though. I've come accross jpg files with 30 digits and admins need to be allowed to rename those. [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 17:07, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | : Concerning categorization: Bot can do it, and i'm volunteering to make such a bot, and run it regularly. --[[User:Theodorico|Theodorico]] ([[User talk:Theodorico|talk]]) 17:23, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :: A bot doesn't know in which category he needs to put an image who are in the uncategorized files. Like today I had a few FO3 location images and a few user page images. A bot can't tell them apart. Now you could say leave the userpage images for the bot to run through (I think I can recognize them) but we still have to split those into user page images and talkpage images (although it will be mostly user page). And if the list gets longer (every day the userpage images add up in the list), it will be harder to spot the new images that need manual categorizing. Not sure it will be worth the trouble setting a bot to work this. [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 17:44, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :::I don't know if Theo can program the bot to check pages the images link to or not. If he can, he can probably exclude any pages not in the user namespace. One other thing we can easily do is make the notice on the image upload page about categorizing userpage images much more noticeable. I had already added that part about naming them properly, but I can whip up something that stands out that reminds people, and instructs them how, to add the proper cat.'''<span style="border: 2px solid gold; background-color: red; white-space: nowrap; ">[[User:The Gunny|<font color= "gold"> The Gunny </font>]]</span> '''[[file:380px-USMC-E7 svg.png|20px|link=User talk:The Gunny]] 19:49, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | {{Od}}Of course i can: [[User:Theodorico/sandbox05]]. User: / User_talk: isn't a problem at all. Categorizing main: content is a little bit trickier, but still doable. Guess, if reffering page is in [[:Category:Fallout: New Vegas creatures]] then image should go in to the [[:Category:Fallout: New Vegas creature images]]? --[[User:Theodorico|Theodorico]] ([[User talk:Theodorico|talk]]) 23:26, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | : Yes, images on FNV creature pages are categorized as Fallout: New Vegas creature images and so on. It can be worth while to set up a bot-template that recognizes at least the userpage images and blog post images and categorizes them. That's about 50% of the images nowaways I think. You can have a go at the rest, best to first try it with the FNV pages then and see if that works. Still we need to set some kind of limit on userpage images, it there really a need for more than 10? [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 15:28, September 28, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :I think, that we should limit not only the amount of images, but also: |
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| + | * image dimensions (e.g. not more than 1920 x 1200 px) |
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| + | * file size (e.g. not more than 500 Kb). |
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| + | * file name (e.g. latin letters and numbers only) |
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| + | :This way admins will have written rules to enforce in the case if user decides to upload a polygraphic-quality image (something under 2 Gb in size), named Привет_Мама!.tif (translation: Hi_Mom!.tif). --[[User:Theodorico|Theodorico]] ([[User talk:Theodorico|talk]]) 17:22, September 28, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | ::That sounds very reasonable to me. {{User:SigmaDelta54/Sig}} 19:41, September 28, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | ::: GhostAvatar wouldn't agree and neither am I. What about his high res weapon images then of 4,000 by 1,500 pixels, good for several MB's? Can't we have those here then anymore? I don't see a need to limit size, it's limited at 12 Mb anyway. We can ask people to give their image a decent name and that's enough if you ask me. If you say only letters and numbers they still can give it a 30-digit name. [[user:Jspoelstra|Jspoel]] [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 20:08, September 28, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | For what's it worth, I'd be more than happy to take on the task of daily categorizing. I tried to a few times right after I got my adminship, but you'd always do it first by the time I arrived. [[User:Limmiegirl|<font color= "purple"> '''Limmiegirl''' </font>]][[File:Lildeneb.png|x20px]][[User talk:Limmiegirl|<font color= "purple"> <sup>''Talk! ♪''</sup> </font>]] 20:00, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :I went ahead and added very visible instructions on the image upload interface informing users to properly categorize user page images. Hopefully this will lessen the burden in the first place.'''<span style="border: 2px solid gold; background-color: red; white-space: nowrap; ">[[User:The Gunny|<font color= "gold"> The Gunny </font>]]</span> '''[[file:380px-USMC-E7 svg.png|20px|link=User talk:The Gunny]] 21:27, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Looks good, but the wording of the warning might be interpreted as if only images actually added to the userpage are to be categorized as UPIs. I believe something along the lines of "Every image added for personal use" would be more appropriate. [[User:Limmiegirl|<font color= "purple"> '''Limmiegirl''' </font>]][[File:Lildeneb.png|x20px]][[User talk:Limmiegirl|<font color= "purple"> <sup>''Talk! ♪''</sup> </font>]] 22:11, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :::Done. Thanks.'''<span style="border: 2px solid gold; background-color: red; white-space: nowrap; ">[[User:The Gunny|<font color= "gold"> The Gunny </font>]]</span> '''[[file:380px-USMC-E7 svg.png|20px|link=User talk:The Gunny]] 22:59, September 27, 2012 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 20:09, 28 September 2012
Template:Dbtop
This is an official notice that the user page image policies stated in our Image and Video Policy will be excluded from the official guidelines. Namely, the section below will be completely erased:
“
User page images:
User page images:
- Only 5 user page images are allowed per user. If you wish to free up "slots", you need to mark old images for deletion.
- The file names of user page images have to start with "User" in order to avoid confusion with images for use in articles.
- User page images violating any of these rules will be deleted without warning.”
The rationale for this decision is as follows:
- The limit of 5 UPIs was enacted when server space limitation was an issue, and this is no longer the case.
- The naming convention for UPIs were designed to facilitate identification and search, but since categories already perform that task, this convention is redundant.
- Most of the current UPIs are non-compliant to these regulations. The effort to enforce compliance would involve active search for them, forced deletion of UPIs from users with more than 5, and the renaming of literally thousands of images. That would be an obviously immense drudgery for essentially no gain.
Please note, however, that administrators will still have the discretion to warn users who upload an unreasonable amount of pictures, specially of pictures unrelated to the wiki.
The reason this exclusion is bypassing the usual community consultation procedure is due to: the technical nature of the issue; it increasing, not decreasing, the general user's freedom; no major opposition to the changes themselves being expected from the community and the staff.
The decision was unanimously reached by the following staff attending the meeting:
Bureaucrats
Kingclyde
The Gunny
Administrators
Limmiegirl
Tocinoman
If there is no opposition to this change, it will enter in effect in three days from now. Please feel free to express opposition in the section below.
01:05, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Comments
Regretfully, it seems like I have missed this meeting completely. But I fully support the changes being made by fellow members of the administration. --Skire (talk) 02:24, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
I dig it!
- Bandwidth is not an issue. Folks like to be creative. What is not to like? I salute all who supported this effort to allow freer expression. Good job indeed!
SaintPain→ Look for me Dec 22 Y'all know what I'm say'n. 03:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I agree. I have nothing to say, except that the rule 2 should also mention that images with long names should be renamed (if it isn't already written). Energy X ∞ 12:04, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
For the protocol: I, Theodorico, formally opposing this change of policies. My reasons:
- Suggested procedure violates VA:P while reason, given to do so is completely made-up and is not provided by VA:P.
- Undefined term "unreasonable amount of pictures", leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling.
- Undefined naming convention for user page images, leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling.
- Undefined grounds for deletion of user page images, leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling.
Long story short: I belive that current edition is very raw and can use community input, to be improved. --Theodorico (talk) 16:35, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
Here's my view on the proposal. If we strike the first rule, it means people can upload dozens of images and I'm not sure if you've thought about it, but I'm always the one doing the categorizing, so that means more tedious work which I'm not really waiting for. And the other way around, removing images from userpages, means another round for me with deleting the images. People are asked to categorize images themselves, but 9 out of 10 just don't do that. The blogpost Limmie just put up may help for a brief moment but not long term. I'm not against ramping it up a bit, 10 or so, if the admins help me out some more with this. That rule 2 and 3 be stricken I'm ok with, images don't necessarily need to start with user; most people aren't even aware they should name it as such. We still need a rule that admins should have the right to rename images though. I've come accross jpg files with 30 digits and admins need to be allowed to rename those. Jspoel 
17:07, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- Concerning categorization: Bot can do it, and i'm volunteering to make such a bot, and run it regularly. --Theodorico (talk) 17:23, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- A bot doesn't know in which category he needs to put an image who are in the uncategorized files. Like today I had a few FO3 location images and a few user page images. A bot can't tell them apart. Now you could say leave the userpage images for the bot to run through (I think I can recognize them) but we still have to split those into user page images and talkpage images (although it will be mostly user page). And if the list gets longer (every day the userpage images add up in the list), it will be harder to spot the new images that need manual categorizing. Not sure it will be worth the trouble setting a bot to work this. Jspoel 17:44, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know if Theo can program the bot to check pages the images link to or not. If he can, he can probably exclude any pages not in the user namespace. One other thing we can easily do is make the notice on the image upload page about categorizing userpage images much more noticeable. I had already added that part about naming them properly, but I can whip up something that stands out that reminds people, and instructs them how, to add the proper cat. The Gunny
19:49, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know if Theo can program the bot to check pages the images link to or not. If he can, he can probably exclude any pages not in the user namespace. One other thing we can easily do is make the notice on the image upload page about categorizing userpage images much more noticeable. I had already added that part about naming them properly, but I can whip up something that stands out that reminds people, and instructs them how, to add the proper cat. The Gunny
- A bot doesn't know in which category he needs to put an image who are in the uncategorized files. Like today I had a few FO3 location images and a few user page images. A bot can't tell them apart. Now you could say leave the userpage images for the bot to run through (I think I can recognize them) but we still have to split those into user page images and talkpage images (although it will be mostly user page). And if the list gets longer (every day the userpage images add up in the list), it will be harder to spot the new images that need manual categorizing. Not sure it will be worth the trouble setting a bot to work this. Jspoel
(←) Of course i can: User:Theodorico/sandbox05. User: / User_talk: isn't a problem at all. Categorizing main: content is a little bit trickier, but still doable. Guess, if reffering page is in Category:Fallout: New Vegas creatures then image should go in to the Category:Fallout: New Vegas creature images? --Theodorico (talk) 23:26, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, images on FNV creature pages are categorized as Fallout: New Vegas creature images and so on. It can be worth while to set up a bot-template that recognizes at least the userpage images and blog post images and categorizes them. That's about 50% of the images nowaways I think. You can have a go at the rest, best to first try it with the FNV pages then and see if that works. Still we need to set some kind of limit on userpage images, it there really a need for more than 10? Jspoel 15:28, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
- I think, that we should limit not only the amount of images, but also:
- image dimensions (e.g. not more than 1920 x 1200 px)
- file size (e.g. not more than 500 Kb).
- file name (e.g. latin letters and numbers only)
- This way admins will have written rules to enforce in the case if user decides to upload a polygraphic-quality image (something under 2 Gb in size), named Привет_Мама!.tif (translation: Hi_Mom!.tif). --Theodorico (talk) 17:22, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
- That sounds very reasonable to me. --Skire (talk) 19:41, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
- GhostAvatar wouldn't agree and neither am I. What about his high res weapon images then of 4,000 by 1,500 pixels, good for several MB's? Can't we have those here then anymore? I don't see a need to limit size, it's limited at 12 Mb anyway. We can ask people to give their image a decent name and that's enough if you ask me. If you say only letters and numbers they still can give it a 30-digit name. Jspoel 20:08, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
- GhostAvatar wouldn't agree and neither am I. What about his high res weapon images then of 4,000 by 1,500 pixels, good for several MB's? Can't we have those here then anymore? I don't see a need to limit size, it's limited at 12 Mb anyway. We can ask people to give their image a decent name and that's enough if you ask me. If you say only letters and numbers they still can give it a 30-digit name. Jspoel
- That sounds very reasonable to me. --Skire (talk) 19:41, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
For what's it worth, I'd be more than happy to take on the task of daily categorizing. I tried to a few times right after I got my adminship, but you'd always do it first by the time I arrived. Limmiegirl 
Talk! ♪ 20:00, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- I went ahead and added very visible instructions on the image upload interface informing users to properly categorize user page images. Hopefully this will lessen the burden in the first place. The Gunny 21:27, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- Looks good, but the wording of the warning might be interpreted as if only images actually added to the userpage are to be categorized as UPIs. I believe something along the lines of "Every image added for personal use" would be more appropriate. Limmiegirl Talk! ♪ 22:11, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks. The Gunny 22:59, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks. The Gunny
- Looks good, but the wording of the warning might be interpreted as if only images actually added to the userpage are to be categorized as UPIs. I believe something along the lines of "Every image added for personal use" would be more appropriate. Limmiegirl