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This is an official notice that the user page image policies stated in our Image and Video Policy will be excluded from the official guidelines. Namely, the section below will be completely erased:

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User page images:

• Only 5 user page images are allowed per user. If you wish to free up "slots", you need to mark old images for deletion.
• The file names of user page images have to start with "User" in order to avoid confusion with images for use in articles.
• User page images violating any of these rules will be deleted without warning.”

The rationale for this decision is as follows:

• The limit of 5 UPIs was enacted when server space limitation was an issue, and this is no longer the case.
• The naming convention for UPIs were designed to facilitate identification and search, but since categories already perform that task, this convention is redundant.
• Most of the current UPIs are non-compliant to these regulations. The effort to enforce compliance would involve active search for them, forced deletion of UPIs from users with more than 5, and the renaming of literally thousands of images. That would be an obviously immense drudgery for essentially no gain.

Please note, however, that administrators will still have the discretion to warn users who upload an unreasonable amount of pictures, specially of pictures unrelated to the wiki.

The reason this exclusion is bypassing the usual community consultation procedure is due to: the technical nature of the issue; it increasing, not decreasing, the general user's freedom; no major opposition to the changes themselves being expected from the community and the staff.

The decision was unanimously reached by the following staff attending the meeting:

Bureaucrats
Kingclyde
The Gunny

Administrators
Limmiegirl
Tocinoman

Moderators
Agent C
ToCxHawK

If there is no opposition to this change, it will enter in effect in three days from now. Please feel free to express opposition in the section below.

01:05, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Regretfully, it seems like I have missed this meeting completely. But I fully support the changes being made by fellow members of the administration. --Skire (talk) 02:24, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I dig it!

• Bandwidth is not an issue. Folks like to be creative. What is not to like? I salute all who supported this effort to allow freer expression. Good job indeed!

SaintPain→ Look for me Dec 22 Y'all know what I'm say'n. 03:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I agree. I have nothing to say, except that the rule 2 should also mention that images with long names should be renamed (if it isn't already written). Energy X ∞ 12:04, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

For the protocol: I, Theodorico, formally opposing this change of policies. My reasons:

• Suggested procedure violates VA:P while reason, given to do so is completely made-up and is not provided by VA:P.
• Undefined term "unreasonable amount of pictures", leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling.
• Undefined naming convention for user page images, leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling.
• Undefined grounds for deletion of user page images, leaves too much freedom for an admin ruling.

Long story short: I belive that current edition is very raw and can use community input, to be improved. --Theodorico (talk) 16:35, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Here's my view on the proposal. If we strike the first rule, it means people can upload dozens of images and I'm not sure if you've thought about it, but I'm always the one doing the categorizing, so that means more tedious work which I'm not really waiting for. And the other way around, removing images from userpages, means another round for me with deleting the images. People are asked to categorize images themselves, but 9 out of 10 just don't do that. The blogpost Limmie just put up may help for a brief moment but not long term. I'm not against ramping it up a bit, 10 or so, if the admins help me out some more with this. That rule 2 and 3 be stricken I'm ok with, images don't necessarily need to start with user; most people aren't even aware they should name it as such. We still need a rule that admins should have the right to rename images though. I've come accross jpg files with 30 digits and admins need to be allowed to rename those. Jspoel 17:07, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Concerning categorization: Bot can do it, and i'm volunteering to make such a bot, and run it regularly. --Theodorico (talk) 17:23, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

A bot doesn't know in which category he needs to put an image who are in the uncategorized files. Like today I had a few FO3 location images and a few user page images. A bot can't tell them apart. Now you could say leave the userpage images for the bot to run through (I think I can recognize them) but we still have to split those into user page images and talkpage images (although it will be mostly user page). And if the list gets longer (every day the userpage images add up in the list), it will be harder to spot the new images that need manual categorizing. Not sure it will be worth the trouble setting a bot to work this. Jspoel 17:44, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if Theo can program the bot to check pages the images link to or not. If he can, he can probably exclude any pages not in the user namespace. One other thing we can easily do is make the notice on the image upload page about categorizing userpage images much more noticeable. I had already added that part about naming them properly, but I can whip up something that stands out that reminds people, and instructs them how, to add the proper cat. The Gunny   19:49, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

(←) Of course i can: User:Theodorico/sandbox05. User: / User_talk: isn't a problem at all. Categorizing main: content is a little bit trickier, but still doable. Guess, if reffering page is in Category:Fallout: New Vegas creatures then image should go in to the Category:Fallout: New Vegas creature images? --Theodorico (talk) 23:26, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, images on FNV creature pages are categorized as Fallout: New Vegas creature images and so on. It can be worth while to set up a bot-template that recognizes at least the userpage images and blog post images and categorizes them. That's about 50% of the images nowaways I think. You can have a go at the rest, best to first try it with the FNV pages then and see if that works. Still we need to set some kind of limit on userpage images, it there really a need for more than 10? Jspoel 15:28, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I think, that we should limit not only the amount of images, but also:

• image dimensions (e.g. not more than 1920 x 1200 px)
• file size (e.g. not more than 500 Kb).
• file name (e.g. latin letters and numbers only)

This way admins will have written rules to enforce in the case if user decides to upload a polygraphic-quality image (something under 2 Gb in size), named Привет_Мама!.tif (translation: Hi_Mom!.tif). --Theodorico (talk) 17:22, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds very reasonable to me. --Skire (talk) 19:41, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

GhostAvatar wouldn't agree and neither am I. What about his high res weapon images then of 4,000 by 1,500 pixels, good for several MB's? Can't we have those here then anymore? I don't see a need to limit size, it's limited at 12 Mb anyway. We can ask people to give their image a decent name and that's enough if you ask me. If you say only letters and numbers they still can give it a 30-digit name. Jspoel 20:08, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

For what's it worth, I'd be more than happy to take on the task of daily categorizing. I tried to a few times right after I got my adminship, but you'd always do it first by the time I arrived. Limmiegirl ^{Talk! ♪} 20:00, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I went ahead and added very visible instructions on the image upload interface informing users to properly categorize user page images. Hopefully this will lessen the burden in the first place. The Gunny   21:27, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Looks good, but the wording of the warning might be interpreted as if only images actually added to the userpage are to be categorized as UPIs. I believe something along the lines of "Every image added for personal use" would be more appropriate. Limmiegirl ^{Talk! ♪} 22:11, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. The Gunny   22:59, September 27, 2012 (UTC)