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Short and sweet - I think the employment history and game involvement data should be moved out of {{Infobox person}} and into the article text of the respective articles, leaving only the "core" data (DOB, alternate names, websites etc) in the infobox. In a lot of cases this data is duplicated between infobox and article text anyway, and I think infoboxes aren't really suited for this kind of data.

Thoughts? -- Porter21 (talk) 15:58, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:26, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not too much bothered by it, but ok I suppose. I'm giving a higher priority to the new map marker images though, work on that should go before this in my opinion. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 20:53, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
This really has no bearing at all on anything related to map marker images. It's part of the infobox conversion and I'll finish that first anyway (and besides, I think I'm still allowed to make my own decisions regarding what I work on). -- Porter21 (talk) 01:50, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Same goes for {{Infobox game company}}, I suppose - (Fallout) games developed/published should be moved to article text in my opinion. -- Porter21 (talk) 12:06, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


Since I've now reached the point where {{Infobox person}} is the last infobox template I can convert until the discussion about the perk/skill/stat/trait layouts is finished, I'd like to move ahead with this. However, due to the number of pages affected (~830) and the fact that some work can't really be done by a bot, I'll need some help with this.

My plan currently is to get rid of the parameters employer#, game#role and otherwork entirely, i.e. they will no longer be displayed by the infobox. They will be replaced with only two parameters: games and other works. These two only relate to Fallout-related works the person was involved with; the first lists the games (abbreviation-based) and the second lists other works (plain text field) such as game guides etc.

Of course, the employment history and game credits are still valuable info and as such, I don't want to remove these entirely. The problem is that a significant number of articles probably list this in the article already, while others don't. Rather than risking that data be lost, I'm planning to convert the data which is currently in the infobox to a pre-agreed format and dump it at the end of the pages.

My questions are: What do you think about this plan (got better ideas)? What format should the data be converted to (tables or lists, names of article sections etc)? Anybody up for helping me with this? -- Porter21 (talk) 18:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm willing to help, though the amount before the onset of my January exams will be limited. I think that the way you have described the changes is necessary (the results, not your description) and so the isn't much else we can do but sort it in post-production. Furthermore, I think that we should get a checklist of the people on a project page so that they can be ticked off, similar to the one on the FO1 and 2 character project. My profile pageCome and say hello 21:18, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I've been busy with other work lately and haven't had much time for The Vault, but in the coming weeks I'll definitely have more time for The Vault and I'll be happy to help you with this project. Ausir 18:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll work on automatically converting the infobox data to page content today; hopefully I'll be able to get it done before leaving tomorrow. The templates I'm planning to use are {{Employment history table}} and {{Credits table}}; the basic section structure created by the put will be (H2 = second level heading etc):
  • (H2) Employment history
    {{Employment history table}}
  • (H2) Credits
    • (H3) Fallout series
      {{Credits table}}
    • (H3) Other work
      {{Credits table}}
I think that should work with all principal types of real-life person articles we have (developers, company employees, actors, musicians). Sorry for simply "dictating" the layout like that, but unfortunately I don't have the time for a proper discussion and I think it'd be good if people could already work on this while I'm away (if they want to). -- Porter21 (talk) 14:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Conversion in progress

The conversion is now in progress, i.e. the bot is moving employment history/credits out of the infobox (details below). I hope I'll stay awake long enough that I can start the second run for converting the infobox itself to the new template - no promises though.

Finding the affected pages
There are two possibilities for finding the pages which are pending review:

Finding the auto-generated content on a page
The auto-generated content is wrapped in "Template:Created by bot"; you can only see it when editing the page. It is inserted directly above the categories, i.e. at the end of the article.

The beginning of the auto-generated content is marked with:

<!-- BEGIN BOT-CREATED CONTENT -->{{Created by bot|content=

The end of the auto-generated content is marked with:


Removing these two lines will make the content show up on the page and remove it from Category:Converted person articles pending review.

What to check for

  • Formatting of dates in employment history tables (should be "August 2009" etc)
  • Order of game credits/employment history rows. Sort by years; oldest first, newest last.
  • Generally, whether fields contain content which should be moved to another fields. For example, on actor pages the "title" fields occasionally contain the role the actor voiced (which should be in "credits") as well.
  • Anything else that's amiss (:P)

Closing notes
Category:Converted person articles pending review is currently a hidden category. Feel free to change that (by removing __HIDDENCAT__ from the category page) if you want.

The bot also removes all sort keys ({{DEFAULTSORT:}} etc) from the affected pages. That's intentional - the new version of {{Infobox person}} generates the sort keys automatically, hence the manual ones are no longer needed in most cases. If the sort key needs to be adjusted, it should be done through the updated infobox template in the future. -- Porter21 (talk) 23:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)