Hidden Valley

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Hidden Valley
FNV Hidden Valley Overview.png
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Hidden Valley loc.jpg
Map MarkerHidden Valley
BuildingsHidden Valley bunker
FactionsUnited States Air Force (defunct)
Brotherhood of Steel (Mojave chapter)
QuestsED-E My Love
Eyesight to the Blind
For the Republic, Part 2
Render Unto Caesar
Still in the Dark
Tend to Your Business
The House Always Wins
Wild Card: Side Bets
Brotherhood Bond
Hidden Valley computer virus
Pistol Packing
Cell NameHiddenValley (exterior)
HiddenValley01 (L1)
HiddenValley02 (L2)
ref id000e18b2 (exterior)
000d7504 (bunker 1)
000e508b (bunker 2)
000e50a9 (bunker 3)
000e508a (bunker 4)
000d7506 (L1)
000d7505 (L2)

Scavengers report hulking individuals moving around Hidden Valley after dusk, but have been unable to identify them due to low visibility.

Mr. New Vegas, Fallout: New Vegas

Hidden Valley is a military installation nestled between hills and rocks roughly northeast of the New California Republic Correctional Facility and southeast of Sloan. The valley is home to numerous bark scorpions and the remnants of the Mojave chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel that once occupied Helios One.

Background[edit | edit source]

Before the Great War, the bunker complex was under the jurisdiction of the United States Air Force, officially as a testing range, and appeared to be abandoned even when they owned the plot.[1] To the eyes of the average wastelander now, Hidden Valley is nothing more than a fenced-in plot of land with underground bunkers dotting the area. It seems that nothing of value is in the area, except maybe for bark scorpions and their venom. However, the truth is quite the opposite.[2]

The installation was established as part of the Hidden Valley project, as a self-sustaining shelter for high-ranking VIPs, in order to provide a command and control facility in times of crisis. The actual installation is located several hundred feet below the surface, under multiple layers of reinforced materials connected to the northernmost bunker via a high speed elevator. The volume of earth and armor renders it impregnable to destruction, save for a direct hit by a bunker-buster nuclear weapon of tonnage considered outside of America's closest competitors before the war.[2] Additional protection comes from the Dervish camouflage system, which generates an artificial sandstorm using sand supplemented by a combination of aluminum and various silicates, dispersed by a widespread network of industrial fans to blanket the area in chaff. Coupled with Black Mountain's electronic countermeasures, the site is effectively impossible to target or track with electronics.[3]

DERVISH camouflaging system in Hidden Valley.

The installation itself is powered by a specially designed Candle fusion power system, designed for reliability and duration of service, able to supply the power for an estimated 752 years (at least until year ~2700).[3]

Other facilities include living quarters (both large dormitories and individual rooms), an infirmary equipped with surgery equipment, storage space, workshop, research laboratory, command center and more. For these reasons Hidden Valley was occupied by Brotherhood of Steel and adapted as the regional headquarters for the new Mojave chapter. Judicious use of the Dervish system, not to mention adherence to strict covert operations protocols allowed the bunker to remain hidden from NCR forces. This proved invaluable following the defeat at Helios One in 2276, when the remnants of the chapter retreated to Hidden Valley and hunkered down. The freshly promoted Elder Nolan McNamara ordered a lockdown, prohibiting personnel from leaving or entering the bunker, to maintain secrecy. Only supply runs and top priority combat missions were allowed to come and go. Two years after the lockdown, Robert House, sole proprietor of the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas, became astutely aware of the Brotherhood's presence after losing a Securitron near the valley, which continued at an average rate of one Securitron annually.[4]

This state of affairs continued for several years. Extended isolation strained the morale of Brotherhood members forced to idly sit underground and go through combat drills (both real and virtual) endlessly. Dissent began to take root, particularly in Head Paladin Edgar Hardin, a combat veteran of the Brotherhood war, who considered this inaction as crippling to the order. This was not the only issue that worried Elder McNamara: the bunker's system have been slowly deteriorating due to an overuse of the Dervish system and eventually would threaten the Brotherhood's survival.

The Courier entered the scene in 2281 and can play a pivotal role, either restoring the Brotherhood's presence in the region or destroying it outright.

Layout[edit | edit source]

Hidden Valley can be accessed via the road near Sloan and at the northwest and southeast corners where the fence is down. There are also small side-paths, at least one of which is heavily inhabited by bark scorpions and the occasional giant radscorpion when going in the direction of Scorpion Gulch nearby.

Inside the fenced area, four bunkers are spread around the perimeter of the area. Three of four bunkers are just a large entry room with a locked door on the opposite side that lead to nowhere, but may contain some notable loot.

Buildings[edit | edit source]

East bunker[edit | edit source]

The entry room has two skeletons with a bottle of wine on a sleeping mat and a suitcase, which would suggest a sad story. The locked (easy) door in this bunker hides a hundred 5mm rounds and twenty four 5.56mm rounds.

North bunker[edit | edit source]

At the end of the room behind the locked door (average) is a pair of mini nukes, a stimpak and some 5.56 ammunition.

South bunker[edit | edit source]

This bunker has two grenade bouquets hanging from the ceiling at the bottom of the staircase. The entry room contains a sleeping pad and a sack, along with a journal indicating that someone is using the bunker as a safehouse. The locked (hard) door here opens the way to 3 ammunition boxes, a mini nuke under a tin plate which you will have to move in order to see, a steam gauge assembly and two units of scrap metal on the right, and frag grenades and some 5.56 ammunition on the left.

West bunker[edit | edit source]

The Brotherhood bunker known as Hidden Valley bunker
Main article: Hidden Valley bunker

The fourth bunker, also known as Hidden Valley bunker, is the home of the Brotherhood of Steel. The bunker is marked by a small broken tree stump directly on top of the dome. You will not be able to gain access to this bunker unless you have taken the holotape containing the passphrase from the two dead Brotherhood of Steel Paladins at the REPCONN headquarters, the one near Black Mountain, or the 2 dead Brotherhood soldiers in a ditch on the artillery battered area outside Nellis Air Force Base.

If you have the holotape and passphrase, the player will be given the option to say it into the intercom. Otherwise you can attempt to pick the Very Hard lock or by having follower Veronica Santangelo with you. Access can also be granted through the quest Wild Card: Side Bets or by advancing far enough in any storyline to be asked to interact with the BoS.

Notable loot[edit | edit source]

  • The north bunker contains a pair of mini nukes, a stimpak and some 5.56mm ammunition.
  • The south bunker contains another a mini nuke under a tin plate.
  • A hollowed-out rock with a heart and anti-bomb symbol painted on it will contain some random loot. When you fast travel to Hidden Valley, the hollowed-out rock will be in front of you.

Related quests[edit | edit source]

Marked quests[edit | edit source]

Unmarked quests[edit | edit source]

Notes[edit | edit source]

  • The south bunker will be empty when entered unless the Still in the Dark quest has been activated, which will cause the NCR Ranger to appear within near the campfire.
  • Going into the Brotherhood of Steel bunker wearing any type of NCR armor will automatically make the entire bunker hostile. Even if you enter with Veronica as your companion, you will be attacked if you are wearing NCR faction armor.
  • If entering the Brotherhood secure area using the passphrase, you will immediately start the NCR Ranger portion of the Still in the Dark quest. Your weapons and armor will be taken, but will be given back once you have completed this task. See Still in the Dark for more information.
  • If you pick the lock, the Brotherhood soldiers will not be hostile, but when you leave the bunker again your followers will be locked in the bunker; meaning you have to unlock the very hard door again to get them back or get them after you complete the Still in the Dark quest.
  • If you detonate the self destruct sequence, the Dervish camouflage system is disabled and smoke rises up out of the air shaft vents scattered around the bunkers.
  • The interior of the Brotherhood's bunker looks very similar to Raven Rock from Fallout 3.
  • Four Brotherhood of Steel paladins will regularly go out on patrol between 1AM and 3AM, guarding the area near their bunker until just before dawn.

Appearances[edit | edit source]

Hidden Valley appears only in Fallout: New Vegas.

Behind the scenes[edit | edit source]

  • Megan Parks was responsible for layout, prop placement, decoration, terrain shaping, and vistas in this location.[5]
Icon cut content.pngThe following is based on Fallout New Vegas cut content and has not been confirmed by canon sources.
  • Originally, the player was supposed to be able to spy on Taggart for Schuler and discover a PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) virtual simulation, according to the following script attached to VDialogueHiddenValleyLindaSchulerTopic009 (I don't appreciate how much harder I have to work to cover for his tendency to focus on his personal projects. I try not to think too much about his personal proclivities.:
This might not be necessary. I might be able to
add a top level topic for telling her what you
found out and simply have it check to see if you
discovered the PTSD sim.

set VDialogueHiddenValley.SpyingForSchuler to 1

  • It was planned for the player to be able to use the VR pods here, probably to play a VR simulation where the player must defend Hidden Valley from Enclave intruders. There is a VR pod called HVPlayerPodREF and a message called HVGameScoreMessage that tracks a variable to display the number of kills in the VR game. There are also cut notes relating to Melissa Watkins that show she is playing the VR sim at a deliberately lower difficulty level. There is also an unused computer terminal called HVPodSimSelectionTerminal that seems to relate to the above.
  • There are unused AI packages for NPCs of both sexes to use the relevant bathrooms here.
Icon cut content.pngEnd of information based on Fallout New Vegas cut content.

Bugs[edit | edit source]

  • PCIcon pc.png PlayStation 3Icon ps3.png Xbox 360Icon xbox360.png After wandering though the bunker and exiting out into the wasteland again sometimes might spawn around two to five bark scorpions right outside of the bunker you came from. In the later patches, bark scorpions spawn less frequently.
  • PCIcon pc.png PlayStation 3Icon ps3.png Sometimes the BOS will become hostile without apparent reason.
  • PlayStation 3Icon ps3.png Xbox 360Icon xbox360.png If you fast travel to Hidden Valley and arrive just before the sun rises, the ground may turn black and the distant surrounding areas will have turned into a hazed green. The ground will eventually change back into color but the screen will go completely black afterwards and the game will need to be restarted. A way to avoid this is if you make your way out of Hidden Valley before the screen changes. This is most likely a glitch from the sandstorm that flows throughout the area at night.
  • PCIcon pc.png A Securitron mk1 may spawn in the bunker, blocking the player.
    • This may also occur if the player uses the wait function while in Hidden Valley.
  • PlayStation 3Icon ps3.png Sometimes after starting ED-E My Love, traveling to Hidden Valley in any way will cause the game will crash, making the quest to upgrade ED-E using the Brotherhood of Steel impossible.
  • PlayStation 3Icon ps3.png In the south bunker, if you activate the tripwire (which is attached to the grenades), it may kill you and freeze the game/console.
  • PlayStation 3Icon ps3.png It is possible to go through the ruins blocking the entrance to the bunker. You are unable to get out however once inside.

Gallery[edit | edit source]

References[edit | edit source]

  1. Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide Collector's Edition p.401-402: "[5.11] Hidden Valley
    Hidden Valley is housed in the remnants of a USAF bunker near the heart of the valley. Abandoned even before the war, the area around the bunker is littered with junk. Signs on the roads and peaks leading into the valley warn that it is a USAF testing range and stretches of drooping wire fences form a pathetic barrier in post-apocalyptic times. Upon entering the outer region of the actual bunkers, surviving Prospectors have reported an eerie feeling, and four bunkers, each with an intercom and complete, almost deafening silence on the other side. Others tell of seeing armored figures exiting the Valley from within a raging sandstorm that seems to arrive every evening and stay for the night. The main entrance is from the south gates, at the end of the side road from Long 95 that passes north of the NCR Correctional Facility [5.15]. There are periodic breaks in the perimeter fence, including a large breach to the north."
    (Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide Collector's Edition Tour of the Mojave Wasteland)
  2. 2.0 2.1 Hidden Valley bunker terminals; Terminal, Project Goals: Hidden Valley
  3. 3.0 3.1 Hidden Valley bunker terminals; Terminal, Systems Overview
  4. The Courier: "Where do you want me to start?"
    Robert House: "Since 2278, I've lost five roaming Securitrons near Hidden Valley. I didn't receive any clear video of the incidents, but telemetry from the units destroyed indicates they were attacked with energy weapons. It's obvious that the Brotherhood has a base in Hidden Valley or thereabouts. Finding it won't be easy, but getting inside will be the real trick."
    (Robert House's dialogue)
  5. Megan Parks' portfolio