Talk: Scripture

Just a Heads Up

A lot of people have assumed that this is the book of Mormon because it is used by the New Canaanites. Considering that there is a Crucifix it is extremely unlikely that it is the Book of Mormon (unless one was to consider that after the Divergence Mormon's changed their stand on the cultural imagery concerning crucifixes). It's most likely that the Scripture is just a Bible that the New Canaanites use because they don't have access to the Book of Mormon.

this comes from the fallout wikia timeline page, year 2235. "The new Mormon living prophet, Judah Black, leads most of the remnants of the Mormon community north to Ogden, Utah. They establish the town of New Canaan.[27][63]" so... regardless of the cross, the new Canaanites are clearly Mormon. as for it being the bible due to the lack of availability of the book of Mormon, that sounds like a reasonable explanation. also, from 2223, " A number of angry tribals, raiders, and disassociated attackers gang up on New Jerusalem and sack it, killing most of the Mormons in the process.[27]" i would also believe they raiders would have likely burned or otherwise destroy every copy of the book of Mormon they came across, thus further explaining the likely use of the bible as their holy text--220.237.86.33 09:23, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Question regarding wikia policies...

"We don't put real-world weapon references on article pages, unless it's the same name as the real-world weapon, or if is mentioned by a developer that the ingame weapon is intended to represent a specific real-world weapon," even if it's blatantly obvious.

Why is it different for this? (Referring to the statement that it is possibly the bible). Is it explicitly stated in the game, in the Fallout world, or by developers that it is the bible?

You're not the only one who thinks this, yet if you change it you will have a hell of a fight from the religious folk. 16:18, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

^I'm religious and I don't care that you changed it. Makes sense to just not include any references to real life texts. I only made corrections to what was already there. Deleting it entirely is fine.~Bana 20:22, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, what other religious text could it be? Developers don't name weapons after real-world weapons because they might need to make them different for gameplay reasons, I can't really see that applying here. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 14:25, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

There is about 4-5 books that Mormons consider to be religious scripture. Plus, because of divergence there could be ones that don't even exist in our world. But as you said, there should be no reason for the devs to not name the Bible as the Bible for the same reasons as they do for guns. So the fact that they don't name it the Bible says it all really. 15:02, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we have confirmation on what book it is [1]. Can it be added to the page now? --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 10:32, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but that confirms nothing in regards to the item "scripture". However, it does require being added to the Bible page as a reference that the Bible does still exist in the Fallout universe. 19:22, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Rather disappointing....

It is odd that Scripture does not confer any benefits on the player, since other culturally significant books, such as the Paradise Lost that the player can receive from Tulip in Underworld in Fallout 3, do bring such benefits. Even as a total non-believer, I find this inconsistent. At the very least, it should grant a +5 speech or something of that sort, reflecting the centrality of the Bible to English rhetoric. Wunengzi 09:36, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Speculating, perhaps that's the point--it doesn't provide any benefit. 68.41.165.141 04:21, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Don't be a dick.

I agree that the lack of benefit is disappointing. It's also an item with a weight (of 1, but still). In my opinion, it should be a note that has a perk associated with it, like the message from Elijah. --Philip Quarles 15:06, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

There are lots of books in Fallout that dont give any bonuses, why should this be any different? MasterZeroFlash (talk) 20:47, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Reading NPCs

I was in the Sorrows' camp when I saw Waking Cloud, Joshua Graham and Daniel reading Scripture together. I just laughed. Not at them being religious, as I am a Christian, but at what looked like a tribal, a mummy and a farmer all in a bible study. --Delta1138 SnooPING AS usual I see 16:15, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

True.

Really?

"Evidence suggests that this is the Bible," Really..... With what the rest of the statement says and the fact it's called scripture, shouldn't that be a case of 'duh'? Voy101 08:04, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Starting to become a problem... (Not just here)

I feel like the rules for the description of this item (Scripture) is somehow changed or modified, just because this (might) have to do with the bible...

Why is that? Why should it be treated specially? There is absolutely no good arguments at all to why it should.

Personally i thought that especially a Wikia would be free from "Personal interests" such as beliefs, that impact the outcome of an article. Thats just what it is, people who know that if they whine enough about it being negative to their beliefs (aka, like people would do and/or do(es) when it is suggested that the thing about the bible should be removed), they will get what they want.

MasterZeroFlash (talk) 20:37, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

ADD: What i could see though is like a note or trivia saying something like: "Scripture" is most likely based on the real-world book, The (Holy) Bible", or maybe: "Scripture" seems to be (alt. "is", or "is probably") a referance to the real-world book of christians, The (Holy) Bible.

That would be much better i think, since it would eliminate the "it IS"-part (There is no 100%-ish proof that this item is actually the bible), while it is still noted that it "might or most probably is".

Its like the name Nuka-Cola instead of Coca-Cola: We all know that Nuka-Cola is supposed to be Coca-Cola, but we cant be 100% sure, since Interplay named it Nuka-Cola. (Most probably of legal reasons, which only makes the point stronger) MasterZeroFlash (talk) 21:00, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

There is no need for a note like that as it is already mentioned. And out of curiosity why did you put Holy in parentheses and not capitalize Christians? Kinda wierd I thought.--Kingclyde (talk) 02:20, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

This doesn't even make any sense - Scriptures are the Bible. 108.20.131.127 02:27, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

@Kingclyde: I did that because the/a bible could technically be ny bible (Fallout Bible or something), as for not capitalizing "Christians", that was an error on my part. MasterZeroFlash (talk) 10:21, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Use

Everyone is all worked up about how the article is written... I just want to check: this item is basically useless right?

DarknessCalling (talk) 06:57, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

100% useless - more useless than the real life one to most people, 'cause at least that one can be read. I hoped it would be readable in some form, even if it just added a note when used, but nope. Decoration, that's about it. -- LordSchmee

Can we avoid commentary on the real life uses of Scripture please? Ta. Agent c (talk) 11:41, October 28, 2012 (UTC)