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I vehemently disagree with the kick and indefinite ban given to SaintPain, especially after reading the chat logs provided to me by Agent c. He was questioning a certain rule, and that is permitted as long as it does not break any rules in itself. Prohibiting the questioning of such rules is prohibiting criticism and thus preventing possible improvement to the chat rules in that way. I have read the logs and he did not break any rules during his voiced disagreement to one of the existing rules. He can say he disagrees with a rule without actually breaking that rule or any other. Furthermore, that was the topic of the chat for a certain duration until you (Vic) said he was "whining". After this, things began to further escalate until a few users began to express their resentment to the ongoing argument and blindly requested it to stop, without trying to really diffuse the situation. In fact you did not even want to drop it yourself, and after you expressed this, "I'd rather settle this now... As opposed to dropping it.", Saint was then kicked from the chat by Agent c. Now onto the ban... After being kicked, SaintPain re-entered the chat and did not continue the aforementioned argument or even complain about the kick. Instead, he simply said "Really?", followed by a farewell and then he left the chat at his own will. You then said, I hate that man, I hate his attitude, and I hate seeing him in here., which definitely helps to support the fact that this was a good decision that had no emotional backing. It is clear that you resent SaintPain, enough so that you are willing to ban him even after he had left. Note that at this point SaintPain had left the chat by himself and normal chat could resume, but clearly you were not satisfied with a mere kick and proceeded to ban after the fact, which is completely unnecessary. And finally, this chat ban is an indefinite one, which is ridiculous. What we are considering here is not worthy of a kick or chat ban, much less an indefinite chat ban. Even if you consider it ban-worthy (and it being his fourth offence), nowhere does it dictate it must be an indefinite chat ban. Being a chat moderator (and an awfully good one at that), I expect you to have better judgement and follow and execute policies in their spirit and not to the letter.

Moreover, I have yet heard any decent arguments regarding the motives behind SaintPain's indefinite chat ban. What I have heard is a lot of comments only expressing agreement without backing, and because SaintPain was being "disruptive", which is a purely subjective term that is not obvious or severe enough to call for a ban in this case. And does a single administrator agree to this? Please provide justification (beyond the argumentum ad populum) to this ban or I will consider its shortening or removal after discussion with other admins and/or bureaucrats. --SigmaDelta54 (talk) 00:36, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for stating the obvious. It means allot to me that you at least made an effort to recount the events as they accrued. Just as you noted, I was logged off when my ban was put into effect. Victor was not even part of the discussion until "after" I had left chat. As far as I recall...

User SP Bad Medicine SaintPainLook for me Dec 22 Y'all know what I'm say'n. 03:04, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Achievements bug

That is a well-known bug to Wikia's engineers. It's been reported dozens of times and Staff have made several blog posts about it. They're working on it. :P ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 04:41, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Your template-based signature

Hey Sigma, would you mind dropping by here and explaining how to set up a template signature? I have a notion on how to do it, but as someone who actually uses one, I think you'd be more qualified :) Limmiegirl Lildeneb Talk! ♪ 15:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

A message from Fortune Payback

I went to the link you sent, did the one limmie told me, and did the example you gave me... WTF? The quotations don't show. Any ideas?Fortune Payback (talk)Fortune Payback

Chat

Can you come to the chat? Energy X 20:27, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Chat

I kind of had a hunch that was it. I miss all the good stuff because of work.... Paladin117>>iff bored; 00:13, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

RE:

I know that only vanilla info is on here, but I read (on this wiki) that the game creates a save right before the end game slideshow that allows you play the game after the final battle. Which is correct? Conqueror of all Zombies (talk) 01:31, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Featured

Almost forgot. Did you already see this ? Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:36, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Danny, Clyde just approached me in chat about the removal of old admins their rights. I also talked about this with you earlier today. You were planning to send me a concept about this issue, but Clyde and I have already come to an agreement about this, so that concept isn't needed anymore. Clyde just posted a policy thread about it. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:53, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
Hi Jspoel. I have noticed the forum page. I will be voicing my opinions on the forum page too. I am not in agreement with it and I think it'd be better if the full process for new policies were followed, instead of being decreed. I respect both of your opinions but this is something that isn't massively agreed upon, even by staff. --Skire (talk) 00:56, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
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ADB

Thank you, Sigma. :) I was really disappointed when my last attempt at creating such an ideal was such a flop. But this time, I'm hoping the idea will come to life and it can be a regular feature to help keep the leadership aware to modern issues. As soon as I can get that notification template created, I plan on making it an official feature to embrace here at Nukapedia. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required!

Voting rationale

Closed up the poll and it's all ready to go. Thanks!--Kingclyde (talk) 18:50, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Untitled Oct 4 2012

I hold a small hope but I will still not act out if disappointed.

  • It means allot to me that folks like you recognized that I never had any hostile intent and 3,000 year bans should be reserved for vandals, child pornographers, Hitler and mummies who wish to destroy the world.

Unless somebody could live forever or they did something with evil intent 3,000 years is an excessive ban.

No matter how it goes it means allot some folks stood up.

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here." 02:35, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

i wub woo

just saiyan hi, whats up? --meep (talk) 03:13, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re: FO 1&2 remake

So much can get distorted in the mix of replies. Sometimes it can be hard to see who wrote what. As far as I know neither of us control what the game designers do, "yet", { I can dream ~;}~ Still we do enjoy expressing our opinions.

  • So I offer for your consideration my reply to your post without any side tracks.

"Self Quote"

It is possible to look to the future and rework how the past was presented.

15 years ago game technology was far more limited. That's just a fact.

Designers could remake the game today still honoring what is now canon but they could also add alternate story lines that involve joining the Enclave, the Great Khans or other wise maybe just turning on the BOS. Countless options..

Just because there could have been alternate paths dose dose not mean cannon must be changed it simply means the games could be revisited with more player role play options and I would certainly hope far better graphics.

It would be a win win for everyone. The original story line would be more acceptable to folks who never thought of playing one and two due to low graphic quality. Like wise the game designers could expand their tool box add content, such as new items, perks, weather/seasonal effects, more side quests all the while expanding the franchises popularity and there by their profit margin.

The nostalgia of some remakes would fuel the interest and funding for even better tools to be used in future games.

My point is, Updating old games need not take away from what has been done it the past or future games. I believe using the tools of today would aid in the retelling of old stories and in fact draw more attention to the Fallout roots while simultaneously helping to fund games currently in production and inspire next generation Fallout games. It's all a Win Win.

That is my opinion. "End self Quote"

I'd be grateful for your personal feed back, even if you still disagree.

CupSaintPainThat was broke afore I got here." 04:38, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Let's talk

Hey, Danny, I just have a few things on my mind, wiki related, that I wanted to chat about. Try and talk to me before the weekend. Thanks, FNV NCR Armor "Respect and Honor" 19:21, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I've ruined any chance I ever had to get Chat Mod, and I have put a lot of effort to try and convince others I would be good, but I fucked myself. I've proven, by myself, that I can't handle the position. FNV NCR Armor "Respect and Honor" 02:37, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Theme Discussion

If I could even get just one more person to submit a theme choice, I would be satisfied enough to move the entire process into the voting stages. The problem right now is that most of the theme choices are from me, and they're all generally the same feel, from what I've gathered. We have Gunny's also, but I seem to re-call him saying that he's not yet finished. As for Mystery, he provided a couple good ones, but with the recent Wikia update, one of his themes no longer fills the page properly. I understand your frustrations, and I really want to get this underway, as well. ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 20:08, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts

Hey, Sig. I thought about what you said, and you're right. People have gone through worse, and came out on top. So hit me up in chat sometime tomorrow, probably after school around 4:00. I can't act like a little bitch after something this small, I will show everyone that I am dedicated, and that I can make a name for myself, again. FNV NCR Armor "Respect and Honor" 23:28, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Fallout: Apprentice

Hey, Danny! I was wondering if you would like to upload an electronic signature? I am currently creating the Grand Prize for Chad's Fallout: Apprentice, and I am wanting to create a plaque that has all of the consenting leadership's signatures and thanks on it! ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 14:12, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

History project

Go for it -- GOTW User | Talk 16:14, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Re:

Hi, Danny! Thanks for your kind words. It's not that i walked off into the sunset, just having a hard time assembling my inspiration back, darn thing has no manual... --Theodorico (talk) 21:46, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Kastera

It has been quite some time, hasn't it? Kastera (pronounced "Kay-str-uh") means nothing that I'm aware of; it was the name of my second Dungeons & Dragons character. He was basically a stereotypical Celt that thumped everything with a massive morning star on his never ending quest to find the tavern. --Kastera (talk) 02:00, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, if I didn't know better I would be pronouncing it like that as well. By all means, continue doing so; the spelling is the same :) --Kastera (talk) 19:33, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Adminship

While I get your point about being the oldest active patroller, I can't really get behind the adminship idea still. The only gap I've noticed in admin activity on the wiki is one I can't consistently cover due to my class schedule and needing some sleep beforehand, and I don't really need the tools otherwise. User:Great_MaraMessage 19:23, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Name change

What's wrong with SigmaDelta54? Beats Jspoelstra any day :) Who told you you'd forfeit your Savior of the Damned progress? Are you sure about that? I thought that while the request was running, you still would be able to edit with your old accountname. Otherwise ask Energy X (had a name change) or Wikia about the procedure and drawbacks of the name change to be certain. And if you can't use your account for 24 hours, you can always sit it out and then change. 130 days left or so? Not that long. After that the badge isn't available anymore and disappears from the achievement track. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:28, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Edit On GRA Laser Pistol

Hey thanks for fixing my edit with the links in the description. :3 I wanted to add in that only GRA weapons can be modded by GRA mods. I had a difficult time in-game buying a lot of those GRA mods for an ordinary laser pistol and finding out that the mods don't appear in the modding screen for ordinary weapons. I wanted to input that so other people wouldn't have trouble with it. :3

ah well I added that to the main page of the GRA mods as well. It didn't have that info on the mods. And quick question, how do you add your Sig like that? ~ Mitsuke Volk

ah mmk. Thankies! ^^ and if you'd like to add me to skype, my user name is mitsukewolf. :3 ( btw I know it because of the people in the live chat. X3 they really seem to like you.:3)

I'll talk to you on Skype. ^^ ~Mitsuke Volk

Name change

I see you are interested in changing your name. As you know, it will be done once.

Anyway, as I recall, I was blocked for a few hours. So, during that time, you can't edit.

Hope to see you again with a new name (and a tip for you - make sure people later know you, otherwise they'll think you are new user (or a very inactive one, with a new name)). Energy X 09:53, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hm, I think it was less than 2 hours. Oh, and yeah, if you don't disable an option on your e-mail, expect a LOT of spam (they let you know that blogs and some other things were moved). Energy X 19:29, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

I hope you don't think I was dis-advocating the talkback feature, I was just thinking that as a new user it would be easier to go along with the general norm. By all means he can use it though.--Bunny2Bubble 18:44, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Food

"Food" chain was just a play on words from Ryan's original post about "feeding". You did notice that I put it in quotes? I decided to make sure he understood that all levels of appeal here over his ban were exhausted. That's my perogative. I posted that while you were posting your own additional comments and got an edit conflict. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 01:40, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Dwellersims

Hey Danny, I wouldn't make too much of what Dwellersims did with the interwiki links. He probably thought he did good with it, and tried to copy what I did with the Honest Hearts quests interwiki links. In his inexperience he probably didn't check them for existence. About that anon block yesterday for adding that comment on Limmie's page; it reminded me of that Russian that also added a similar sort of comment on her talkpage half a year ago (remember?). Although it can be considered discriminating/harrassing in itself, I didn't think he really meant it to be that way and considered it a (semi-)normal question in his own mind, sort of distorted perception of todays reality. To be honest, sort of made me smile when I read it. It wasn't a malicious remark in my judgment anyways. Unfortunately, things got out of hand after his block, and now the block is justifiable. Though you may consider reducing it to 3 days. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 16:33, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

You can reduce the block to 3 days. I'll add a comment to his talkpage explaining it. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 20:54, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

That thing we talked about

Is posted. The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 17:23, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

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MC and beyond

Can you come back into chat? :D ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 22:40, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

What is your reason, for having his nationality Asian?

Thanks for the info. I'm just having a hard time trying to figure things out and how to navigate my way around. Thanks

RE: Related Perks on Divide epilogue perks

Yo Siggy, just saw the history regarding the user User:DarknessCalling and the adding of related perks to the perks: Scourge of the East, Divide Survivor, Dead Man's Burden and The Bear-Slayer's respectful pages.

I'll have you know that I did not see that it wasn't standard until after I had re-added them back onto The Bear-Slayer's page and am letting you know now to revert all of them so that you might get the edits from this in making the wiki better off with it.

Like before, keep up with the good work. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 23:31, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Categories

Hello there. The Energy Weapons page (under the Fallout 3 heading) lists both the Cryolator and the Viper magnetic cannon as weapons affected by the skill. From my experience the Cryolator is unusable cut content as only the texture for the weapon exists, and the cannon was only mentioned in the Museum of Technology, yet the section acts as if they are useable and available. If i wanted to remove both the Cryolator and the cannon from the "Fallout 3 energy weapons skill weapons" category, how would i go about that?Leea (talk) 17:37, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Edit Removed

Why was my notes edit removed from the White Glove page? DarknessCalling (talk) 01:33, October 25, 2012 (UTC) I don't mean to be argumentative, but isn't it also informative?

"The White Gloves are a perfect target for the challenge Nyah! See?>>> as killing them does not net you negative karma.<<< Using stealth is recommended, and if one uses >>>Sleepytyme (GRA), as it is an improved holdout weapon,<<< >>>one can systematically murder all unnamed White Glove Society members without any negative results excluding the repercussions of being detected<<<"

DarknessCalling (talk) 01:53, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, so strategy is not allowed at all? Even if it is simply a strategy? If so, how is "The Sleepytyme is also considered an improved holdout weapon, making it the only automatic holdout weapon. This makes it a natural choice when working on the GRA challenge "Nyah! See?", and is the only firearm that can be used for this challenge without turning all of the casino guards hostile." (Taken directly from Sleepytyme (GRA) page) not considered a strategy? It's helpful to know that one can do that. (Using Sleepytyme for the Nyah! See? challenge)

DarknessCalling (talk) 02:08, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


I actually rather liked that excerpt from the article. It made my doing that challenge easier. Would it still be considered strategy if I changed " This makes it a natural choice when working on the GRA challenge "Nyah! See?", and is the only firearm that can be used for this challenge without turning all of the casino guards hostile." to "Sleepytyme is the only gun that can be used for Nyah! See? if the player does not want to turn any of New Vegas Strip's Three Families hostile."

DarknessCalling (talk) 19:13, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

So you're saying you'd approve of the edit right? I don't want to change it unless you're okay with it.

DarknessCalling (talk) 19:40, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Just one more question... What was the problem with "Related Perks"? Those were my edits, and I didn't think "Related Perks" looked all that wrong. (For Scourge of the East, Divide Survivor, The Bear-Slayer, Dead Man's Burden) Just curious. I only added them there because I could not, for the life of me, find the perk for each ending. I had to go to the perks page, down to Lonesome Road (add-on), and find which perks were for the endings. Thanks.

DarknessCalling (talk) 20:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I couldn't care less about the wording. I just wanted to add the ability to quick reference each perk because I had trouble finding them. Thanks

DarknessCalling (talk) 23:32, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

NUN

Officially paired with Mitsume. Feel free to make it official on the NUN page and his TP at your discretion. Agent c (talk) 01:59, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Pages

You mean on the weapon's page itself? The categories on the bottom?Leea (talk) 19:21, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help!Leea (talk) 19:45, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Updates

Hey Danny, thanks for the updates, man. It has been helping me out when you point out if I did something wrong. Just as a suggestion, can you point out to me the edits you think I do well, because then I know what I am good at doing, and can do more of that. Thanks. FO3 PA "Death before dishonor" 01:39, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem at all danny, just keep doing what you're doing, you're a good mentor, thanks for having my back on this. FO3 PA "Death before dishonor" 01:50, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Danny, meet me in chat? FO3 PA "Semper Invictus" 21:44, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Just as a last update, I have a few messages right here you might wanna read that are from Gunny. Thanks for your help, Danny, couldn't of done this without you. : ) FO3 PA "Semper Invictus" 17:48, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Danny, wanna come into chat for a second? FO3 PA "Semper Invictus" 02:07, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Re

Hey Sigma! Thanks for the compliments!! As for the images, no exactly sure what you mean by this? Mind coming back and explaining this to me! Thanks in advance! Yours Always; --3 of Clubs "This is my road, you'll walk it as I say" 23:12, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Favour

Can you come into chat for a moment? ForGaroux Some Assembly Required! 01:30, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

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Chat

Would you mind popping in chat for a moment?--Bunny2Bubble 18:23, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Actually never mind, I'm stepping out for awhile.--Bunny2Bubble 18:27, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sig Image vote

Hi Sig, I've added a counter proposal to the signature image size vote. I'd appreciate any thoughts on it. Agent c (talk) 19:49, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Exterminate the deathclaws

Uhh...did I do something wrong? ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 00:13, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Soil

He has refused to talk to me, as I even sent him a message over his talk-page a day ago. This is a study I know very well, as I consider myself sort of a violin snob who has studied the subject of Stradivarius violins for quite some time. (As well as hearing one in person on one occasion.) This anon doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about, and is merely digging up the first search results he can find over the matter. (And not one link he has provided is backed up by a reliable source, all of them merely working off of guesswork.) GarouxBloodline

Well, it might have been the wrong way to go about matters, but I didn't feel like I needed to give him a true chance after he called my information bullshit and then added spam into the page linking to a page that was full of speculation and false truths. And no... unfortunately not. I learned to love their haunting sound from my Nana, who used to play that to me when I was younger. (She was also the person who first got me interested in the piano, although I eventually lost interest with that.) I've always wanted to buy one for myself and learn how to play, but I've just never had the time nor the money to do so. GarouxBloodline
It's a great shame, and I feel less not learning at a younger age. I just hope I'll be able to provide justice for getting myself a violin after never laying a finger on one as of yet. :) As for the piano, I sort of burnt myself out around the time I first joined band in middle school. I was already learning how to play the alto clarinet and saxophone, and I was made to practice with those and the piano on a daily basis. (Along with practicing for marching band as well, I hardly had a social life during this time period.) By the time I got into high school, I had dropped everything but the alto clarinet. :P GarouxBloodline
As of a year ago, no. :P I still have it. Just been gathering dust on my shelf, though. xD GarouxBloodline
I'm done with this idiot. He keeps providing links that have nothing to do with what we're debating, along with constantly acting like a child. (Such as when he editing me message to him; I can see that as trolling.) Not to mention just look through his history. He has a history of being a belligerent ass. GarouxBloodline

hey. wondering why you accepted the first edit to the reputation page on new vegas and changed the second? that clarified precisely what i discovered - or what was previously unclear. thanks for keeping this place sane. later. --Dogwjc (talk) 22:07, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Um... yeah...

Just wondering if anyone noticed that Cass' tits are all the way out in that fanart whats-his-name loaded onto the wiki. User:Great_MaraMessage 22:35, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

New name!

Hey SigmaDelta Skire, it is a shame you missed a day for that Savior of the Damned badge. I noticed it late yesterday evening when more than a day had already passed. Bummer. Good opportunity to get that name change and see if you give it another go. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 22:10, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about missing Savior of the Damned too much. I was a bit pissed off when I missed it by a day too, but after a while it felt like a burden had been lifted from my shoulders. I wasn't obligated to make any more edits that I didn't really feel like making, all for an ultimately insignificant achievement. In the end, it turned out OK. The badges have lost their steam anyway. --Kastera (talk) 07:34, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Lonesome Drifter

I don't remember much from this part of the game, so I don't remember the conversation. I do know, however, that the note in question makes absolutely no sense. How does asking if someone is 17 imply anything about knocking someone up in Montana? ~ Toci ~ Go ahead, make my day. 15:23, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Inteligence file

Just go ahead and wipe that. Agent c (talk) 20:26, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, boss

Hey, Danny, pop into chat for a second, I wanna talk to you. Dead Gunner's SMG JPG1 "Semper Invictus" 01:19, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Only

Is there a reason this annon has not been banned? I trust your judgment, but if he had an account he would be banned for achievement boosting. Not only that, but the way he is changing everything doesn't sound natural. Most people are used to it being "It only appears in FO3." instead of "It appears only in FO3." Pigeon Approved "Hail to the Pigeon!" 23:26, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Only appears or appears only

I'm not in favor of making a project changing all those appearances sections, you know. Those are hundreds of pages to be checked. I'd rather it all just be left as it is. Only appears or appears only, doesn't make that much difference. Though I prefer only appears. Those appearances should be left alone and just be changed if by concidence another edit is needed on the page. Then it can be changed. There are edits to be made that have more value I'd think. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:14, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I think about 70% is only appears and 20% is appears only. Some are still just "appears" without "only" anywhere. Change it to "only appears" where it is different then. You can say that to him, without a block yet. Only when he continues to change it to "appears only" block him for a day. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:39, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Notable content

Give this forum update a read. Let me know what you think about what if anything should be added back into notable loot? The Gunny  380px-USMC-E7 svg 20:46, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

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