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I split this article into AK-112 Assault Rifle and R91 Assault Rifle, since they are different weapons. Ausir 15:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, it got confusing and I didn't know how to approach editing it. RDE206 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

XL70E3[edit source]

The info for this rifle says it was developed in the late 22nd century just before the great war, the 22nd century would start in 2101, or 2100 depending on your own take on it, but the great war was in 2077, either the info for the war is out or this rifle, I assume the rifle, but I havent played any fallout other than 3 so I cant verify this. --MrSuperHappy 14:55, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Must be the rifle, I'll look into it. Fixed now. MadeMan2.png "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

Just a minor typo fix, 21nd to 21st.--MrSuperHappy 19:03, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

R91 -> M199[edit source]

I've done a bit of research and I'm pretty sure the R91 is the Backtalker. Raisins:

  • Manufacturer designation is irrelevant to how the army designates its own weapons.
    • For example, the M16 rifle is actually the military variant of the AR-15 (Armalite Rifle 15). Its designation stems from the fact that it was the next weapon adopted by the military, after the M14 and its M15 conversion. The same goes for other weapons, such as the Belgian FN Minimi, which was adopted as the M249 SAW.
  • The R91 info terminal refers to the M series of rifles discontinued in the early 21st century. The M designation is not for series of rifles, but weapon, vehicle, and equipment models entering service. The M series of rifles is unrelated to the military designation.
  • The Museum plaque explicitly refers to the M199 as the current standard rifle of the United States army as of 2077. Since the M series of Stent rifles was discontinued in the early 21st century, there's only one rifle this can refer to: the R91. The caliber matches as well.
  • As such, the R91 is the manufacturer's designation, while the M199 is the military's. The R91 was adopted as the M199.

I'll merge the articles and delete the silly M series article. I wonder why no one did the research before. Tagaziel (talk) 09:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Then where would the service rifle fit in? Also could the R91 be the civilian variant?--Ant2242 (talk) 09:45, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
The service rifle wasn't conceived until after Fallout 3 shipped, so it doesn't factor in. The R91 seen in game is the military fully automatic variant. Civilian models generally don't have automatic or burst fire modes, while military do. I don't think the service rifle was the standard military model before the war, by the way. All military assault rifles in the series have automatic fire modes. Tagaziel (talk) 11:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
One could argue retro-activity and game mechanics.--Ant2242 (talk) 19:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Forgive me, but I don't follow. Tagaziel (talk) 06:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I must not be articulating my thoughts properly. The service rifle platform has existed pre-war. (Ex: Survivalist's rifle) And since the R91 is referenced to be the assault rifle in use by the National Guard in the DC area and in use by the Raiders, Slavers, and arms dealers as a result, the M199, R91, and/or Service rifle aren't necessarily the same weapon.--Ant2242 (talk) 09:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)