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Counts[edit source]

Eight centuries of eighty men does not equal 460. It equals 640. Why the mix up? Is it in game this way? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.112.106.24 (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!, 03:01, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Editing[edit source]

I'm going to go and try to clean up some of the grammar in this article. 72.201.114.210 05:49, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I finished my edits. I eliminated some of the extraneous fluff involving the real-world legionaries and worked on the grammar in the article. 72.201.114.210 06:38, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
This is going to take a little more work than I believed. The vast majority of the information on this article is dedicated to explain how the real-life legionaries operated. A good deal more Fallout material would improve the quality here. 72.201.114.210 01:37, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Whew! All right, I feel that this page was sufficiently cleaned up. But who knows, maybe some work still needs to be done. Let me know if there are disagreements with the edits. --Barsaxmus 08:00, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

A "Legatus"?[edit source]

Something to note is that during a conversation with Caesar about legate Lanius, Caesar mentions that when another one of his officers fails, he sends Lanius in to set things right. Upon arrival, Lanius beats the failed officer to death in front of his men, then orders "decimatio" (killing every tenth man). Caesar mentions two kinds of officers: a centurion, and a legatus. The exact line is, "When another legatus or centurion fails to achieve results, I send Lanius in to make things right." Officially, in Ancient Rome, a legatus was a general in the Roman army. Actually, the word "legate" is the anglicized word of "legatus", so technically, Joshua Graham was the "Malpais Legatus", and it was "Legatus Lanius" who succeeded him. "Legatus" was most likely used by the Legion when conversing about their supreme commanders, as they say everything else in Latin that is supposed to be said properly, although I don't remember any Legion saying "legatus" at any point during my game play, although I am probably wrong. Anyways, Caesar specifically mentions other "legatuses" (legatii?) when conversing with him. What I think is that the legatuses of the Legion commanded the cohorts, and achieved that position if they were very experienced and exceptional centurions, but this is just a theory and is obviously in no way correct. There is no way to figure out what the other legatuses did, but I still think they are worth a mention. What do you think? They definitely exist, as Caesar himself mentions them. They are most likely just more senior officers, but again, that's just a theory. Rilery13 (talk) 03:13, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. I'll probably rewrite the article from scratch with proper referencing and this will come in handy, definitely! Tagaziel (talk) 13:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Glancery ref-ing

<ref>The [[Courier]]: ''"He sounds more like a savage than a general."''<br/>[[Caesar]]: ''"{{Tooltip|Lanius|{Lan-ee-OOS} }} is savage. Savagely loyal, too, but only to me - he has no love for my Legion. But this has its uses. He has no attachment to his men, no compunction about battlefield losses. All he cares about is destroying the enemy. When another legatus or a {{Tooltip|Centurion|{Ken-TOO-ree-on} }} fails to achieve results, I send {{Tooltip|Lanius|{Lah-nee-OOS} }} to make things right. His first step is to beat the failed commander to death in front of his assembled troops. Then he orders the ritual of {{Tooltip|decimatio|{deck-ih-MAH-tee-oh} }}."''<br/>([[Caesar's dialogue]])</ref>
<ref>The [[Courier]]: ''"He must have a weakness."''<br/>[[Ulysses]]: ''"His strength lies in his title - and it is his weakness. He will not fight a losing battle and destroy what he represents. Put the idea of loss in him. Convince him the Bear will not be the twentieth tribe beneath his heel, it will make him pause like nothing on earth. You do not need to convince him alone. Draw upon history. The past of other Legates are not filled with victories. Remind Lanius of this."''<br/>([[Ulysses' dialogue]])</ref>
<ref>The [[Courier]]: ''"You will because the alternative is worse - and useless. Much like NCR."''<br/>[[Lee Oliver]]: ''"We held this place for years, kicked one Legate out of here so hard Caesar burned him to a crisp. It's our post, we've fought for it. I'll fight for it again today. If you're looking to convince me otherwise, you better have a lot more reasons than you just telling me to go."''<br/>([[Lee Oliver's dialogue]])</ref>
<ref>[[Armor of the 87th Tribe]]</ref>

--Ant2242 (talk) 14:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for not only acknowledging this, but also for searching up the respective quotes :). I'm glad you both noticed this, too. I hope you don't have to rewrite the WHOLE article from scratch, there is definitely a lot of information. Rilery13 (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Your welcome. Again thank you for pointing this out. I only wish that I could go through all the dialogue throughout the game...--Ant2242 (talk) 23:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

"Military"[edit source]

Shouldn't we remove the "military" from the page? The Legion itself is the force, there is no civilian hierarchy is there? Or am I missing something?--Ant2242 (talk) 04:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I think the point of using the word "military" was to make clear that the Legion's hierarchy is a military one. Um… blah…
I think the point was to make really clear this is a military organization. Also sounds better that way, my opinion. -- CompleCCity (talk) 10:38, 6 March 2016 (UTC)