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I just got Lieutenant Hayes sitting by the dry campfire in the middle of the Camp. Same exact dialogue and greeting as if he was still outside Primm.

Category[edit source]

Is there a purpose to Category:Camp Forlorn Hope? Sheltim 15:04, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Behind the scenes: Forlorn Hope[edit source]

Verloren hoop does not translate into the English lost hope, it translates into lost troop (lost heap/band). This comes from the fact that the forlorn hope had a massive casualty rate, sometimes up to a 100 %. It has nothing to do with the English word hope as in "I sure hope Chet will sell me his .357 revolver". That the Dutch word hoop can be translated into this word (hope) is not relevant as it isn't the correct contextual translation. Please refrain from changing this.

Reference: [1] Sheriff G Spelling 13:51, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Since this doesn't manage to go into the minds of some people: forlorn hope has nothing to do with the English word hope (even though the modern Dutch word translates into that). It is a military term and the correct contextual (operational word) translation is the old Dutch word hoop in the meaning troop/heap/band.

I'm not getting in to an editing war here, but if you want to use your own translations you should remove the reference that disproves your translation.

The etymology is irrelevant to the article. The understood meaning of the phrase is plenty. Excess removed.--Gothemasticator 14:21, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

The camp name is probably more of a cultural reference to the ill fated Donner Party snowbound in the Sierra Nevadas than the military term except as a double entendre. The last hope of rescue for the Donner party was named the 'Forlorn Hope'. 03:06, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Forlorn Hope Letters[edit source]

So far I have found letters 1, 2, 3, 5, & 8. Anyone found the other members of this presumed sequence? I found #1 on a dead trooper who was massacred by the Legionaries whilst attempting to make a quartermaster delivery. The others I found scattered about the camp in footlockers or duffle bags located in the tents. Growl-tiger 12:07, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Letter 7 is located in the barracks in the left room on the desk. All letters are in the camp other than the radiation pit and the supply delivery location.

Edit by Geichz (I have never used Wiki so bear with me) I found letter #4 in one of the tents on a bed at the camp. It is very hard to spot because it's white and blends in with the bed.

note: of the letters (2,3,4 & 5) I've found, letter #4 is less personal & more informative about the key members at Camp Forlorn Hope (I can not find letter #8 though?)

(Feel free to take the info & edit me out - - I'm not a registered member yet) 19:30, November 5th, 2010

I made a page for Forlorn Hope Letters so you can help me improve it. Ov3rl0rd 16:12, January 15, 2001

NPC NCR soldier[edit source]

I don't know if this is a glitch or not in the game but when I was walking to Camp Forlon Hope from Nelson, I came across a NCR soldier who was lying on the ground, alive, with no arms or legs. I was wondering if that was there for visual effects because the area has frag mines around it. Has anyone else encountered this? TrailerParkApe MkII 20:05, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

When I got to the area, I first found, then spotted the guy with his arms missing farther away. He said "stay away!" but it only showed up in the subtitles and ad no audio effect. Cant seem to talk to them, otherwise. Blutteufel 04:03, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Safe bet they're booby trapped troops left there by the legion, since there are mines under them and they go off if you get too close. --Penumbra 01:56, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Digressing[edit source]

Two of the notes are uninformed... First goes "If the Courier stands in the two small graveyards of the camp, an eerie whispering can be heard."... this is just someone thinking they found a special area or something like that, when in fact the "eerie whisper" happens practically anywhere out in the wastes. The other says "Near the base is a wounded soldier in close proximity to a mine"... this is not completely true as there are many respawning injured booby trapped troops outside of Forlorn Hope. I don't want to just flat out edit people's things out, so I'm leavin this here for your consideration. --Penumbra 01:56, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I tested this on my 360 version of New Vegas and if you kill the music completely and turn up the volume while in the graveyard there is some strange sound that can only be called whispering. To further reinforce this, I exited the graveyard, still keeping my volume up, and the sound immediately stopped. I did this another time or two and I could reliably reproduce it. It's a very distinct sound that must play under the ambient noise soundtrack while you are in the graveyard, kind of like Fallout 3's Dunwich building when you get close to the Obelisk inside of it. I've also read around and other people report hearing the same thing in this, and other graveyards. Some think this only occurs if you have The Wild Wasteland trait which I did have when I experienced this. Panzer89 05:52, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Gorobets Bug[edit source]

Has anyone else shown up at Camp Forlorn Hope and find Lieutenant Gorobets from Camp McCarran standing around? He responds and gives quests as if he is still in Camp McCarran. I have no idea why or how he ended up in Camp Forlorn Hope. This was on PC version, and after I had completed the bounty quests at Camp McCarran. 21:12, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Actually upon further inspection, a whole slew of people from Camp McCarran are here, basically all the NPCs necessary for the "I Don't Hurt Anymore" quest. 21:20, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

    • This is not a bug... after completing Three Card Bounty Dhatri says he is sending 1st Recon to help Camp Forlorn Hope.

PS3 latency and freezing.[edit source]

Upon entering Camp Forlorn Hope, I usually experience some choppy gameplay. This seems to ramp up over the next 5-500 seconds until it freezes and I am forced to reset the console. Occasionally the latency does not occur initially and I am able to move around freely, but it comes soon enough. I am not sure what causes this.

I saw Polatli, weapon drawn and strafing northward, run from the command tent, past the medical tent, and finally NNE through the graveyard. There were two red compass-blips to the NNE of the graveyard. As soon as he emerged, I experienced latency which ramped up in a crescendo and froze at it's climax forcing another reset. Polatli would not speak to me near the medical tent. He was bizarrely intent on strafing and murdering. I can offer no other insights. This could also be pure coincidence.

Anyone else notice this? Any ideas about the horrible nature of the PS3 Camp Forlorn Hope?

I had the same problem when entering the camp where the game would freeze and I was forced to restart but after the new update was released I no longer had that problem. I'm not sure if it works for everybody else though.

Forgotten Truce with the Brotherhood Bug?[edit source]

I established a truce between the Brotherhood of Steel and the NCR, but it seems that occasionally the NCR troopers at Camp Forlorn Hope will "forget" the truce and go hostile on me if I fast travel there in power armor. This happened when I exited the command tent as well once. I am playing on the PS3. I was wondering if anyone else had had a similar issue?

Troops[edit source]

Can anyone confirm that Heavy Troopers and Veteran Rangers appear here, I'm lvl 40 and all I see is regular troops. --Xa3MysteriousStranger.png 15:27, July 4, 2011 (UTC) Yes, after hitting level 16, Veteran Rangers spawn on wooden platforms around the camp. These rangers are equipped with Anti-materiel rifles and don't have spotters, so it's a good place to get their armor without gaining NCR infamy.