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Fixed some grammar, and decided to divide the article up into sections.

--Killchain 23:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

At least somebody cares for the Chosen One. ChicagoWanderer 20:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Time warp

I have yet to encounter the random event of the chosen one going back in time to destroy the water chiop what is it like?

Chosen One NV oh really?

Okay, someone added to the trivia section that you can meet an npc called the chosen one is BOS power armor...
Is this even true, or did someone just hear this on a forum? Needs verification. 71.105.140.83 06:40, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Nah it's not true. I removed it. --Kris User Hola.jpg 10:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

In any event, it might be worth listing references to the Chosen One in NV. He's mentioned indirectly by Klamath Bob, Marcus, perhaps others.--OvaltinePatrol 21:06, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I ran into "the chosen one" by the Goodsprings cemetery. appeared in power armor, no helmet, carrying a Gatling gun. moused over and tried to interact with him and he vanished. has only happened once so far and was on the PC.

^ Sounds like a tremendous load of crap and could likely be disproved by someone looking in GECK.--OvaltinePatrol 07:28, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

^

This needs to be looked into more closely, as I just saw this happen as a random encounter(?) in a completely different spot. I was heading into the deathclaw promontory to pick up the power armor, and while heading up the first slope next to the river to fight the first group of deathclaws and an NPC labeled "The Chosen One" appeared next to me (in power armor and with a mini-gun as stated above) and proceeded to destroy everything in his path. It should be noted that I've taken the wasteland wanderer perk, and have the extra traits mod active for this char with destiny's gambler perk. Unfortunately, I reloaded the save immediately prior to this occurring and it was not reproducible. I really wish I had known it was a controversial appearance, as I did not get a screenshot (caught up in the moment) and he disappeared within ~30sec.

-Guest on Feb 2011

I've encountered "The Chosen One" twice now in NV. The first time was just outside of Nipton, and the second time in the river near Cottonwood Cove, both times he was wearing T-45 Power Armor w/o helmet and carrying a minigun. I activated the console a clicked on him, it came up as "The Chosen One", I didn't write the code down however the first two digits were "ff" which I found odd. I am running several mods and am curious if this is actually a part of the vanilla game or not.

Courier 6: 16MAR2011

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I encountered the Chosen One again, in the Misfit's Tent at Camp Golf, for some reason he appeared and just slaughtered them all. I managed to snap a quick pic of him just as he was disappearing, hopefully this is some proof.


Courier 6: 19MAR2011

Just to verify, for those who are G.E.C.K.-less, this is a complete lie. It's like we have maccyman Jr. here. Move along folks, nothing to see here. Big McLargeHuge 06:02, March 19, 2011 (UTC)


Can you verify that this NPC isn't in the game? The fact that i've encountered him numerous times begs to differ, if I knew how to properly use the G.E.C.K. I would attempt to look into, I know the picture I have is terrible quality, but it's the best I could do under the circumstances. Trust me, I have better things to do with my time then fabricate rediculous stories and pictures just to mess with people.

Courier 6: 19MAR2011

No, it doesn't seem yo do... man, either you have a mod YOU installed or you have a mod YOU made.187.36.112.220 15:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I play on the 360, and I found a BoS guy named "the Chosen One" in Camp Golf, mowing down NCR soldiers with his minigun. I obviously couldn't have installed any mods. So, maybe it's just some sort of glitch or placeholder or something appearing in the game, but I definitely saw him.--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' YOU. LOSE. 16:05, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I scoured the geck and found no chosen one. Not a Character, nor a creature, nor any thing else i could find, and i've played the game for over 300 hours, If he "randomly appears" i think i might of found him.


If he was from a mod though, wouldn't the first 2 digits of his reference number reference the mod, rather then being "ff"? If it was a mod it would have the corresponding number in the PRID. But by that same logic, one would think that if it was vanilla the first 2 digits would be "00". So I really don't know what to make of it.

Courier 6: 19MAR2011

Well I have done a entire search of the files for the words "chosen one" (which includes scripts that could possible generate the NPC, just in case they where sneaky) and only one entry came up and that was this note.

Effective immediately, the traditional selection process for overseer is hereby ended. In lieu of a yearly election, a citizen will be chosen one month prior to the start of his or her term with our mainframe's random number generator, ensuring complete impartiality and fairness.

Katherine Stone Overseer

So see you later. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 02:12, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Um, I have seen this guy. Only difference was I was in VATS when he appeared, and I was just shooting at some fiends.

TheLycanAsylum

Ive seen "the Chosen one" pop up and murder aton of Rangers out of no where, then vanish....


Asylum again, I found him again and went into the GECK thingy real quick to get his ID: "The Chosen One" (ff0012f0). I can't take screenshots because I'm an idiot, but last time I saw him, I swear to God he had no facial and was bald. When I saw him again, he had the same armor and chaingun, but had short brown hair and a beard. Kinda odd, but maybe worth mentioning? Also, I think it might be tied in with a mod, as he came up right after this mod I have(Dice of Destiny or something) rolled the dice, then he appears out of nowhere and kills some ants. That's all. TheLycanAsylum

Source of canon gender

I noticed that the article states the Chosen One is canonically male. Is this mentioned in Fallout: New Vegas or another source? Sith Alchemy 101 12:10, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

It's heavily implied by Bruce Issac's description of Mr. Bishop which lines up nicely with one of the possible end slides in Fallout 2. A female Chosen One could not have fathered the Bishop child.--OvaltinePatrol 07:28, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

But this is only implied, not stated as fact and all the direct mentions of the Chosen One completely lack gender pronouns. It's more likely to simply be a reference to one of the endings of Fallout 2 as it does not state who fathered the son. It's possible this Mr. Bishop just happens to like exploring or slightly less likely, the female Chosen one had sex with Mr. Bishop after the events of Fallout 2. I just think every mention of "he" or "his" in reference to the Chosen One should be deleted and returned to gender neutral words. I'll do it myself if nobody convinces me otherwise within a few days. --Alexmikli 00:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC) IO went ahead and did it anyway, sorry if this offends anyone but I think this merits more discussion before we say the Chosen's gender is firmly canon. If a future editor feels it's necessary they may revert my changes, but I'd advise against until it's discussed.--Alexmikli 00:34, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


Recently someone edited the article saying the Chosen one may be female due to Cassidy marrying a tribal. While Cass says that's true, I believe she said "from the east". Could be wrong though.--Alexmikli 20:32, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Could be a thing hidden in a mod. Has this happened on console? Matt of the wastes 09:08, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sigh..It seems like someone just freaking did the whole "he's totally a guy no question's asked" mass edit again..Can't we use the damn talk page?--69.248.22.147 04:23, April 16, 2011 (UTC)


Can we have a rollback to the gender neutral variant? It's not like Obsidian has said "yeah it's a guy"

Yes, they did. By estabilishing canon endings for New Reno, including the bit about a tribal Mr Bishop, they have confirmed several facts - including the one about the Chosen One being canonically male, because he's the only timeframe that can court and bed any of the Bishop ladies. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 05:54, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

It feels like more of a joke reference to the ending though. He didn't say a "Yeah this tribal dude who saved the entire world screwed his daughter." and "Mr. Bishop is a total tribal and likes exploring." what he -did- say is that "This dude screwed his daughter" and "Mr. Bishop likes exploring.". Then you take in the excessively gender neutral story Marcus gives you, and it seems like they're -hinting- that the Chosen one is male, but definitely not comfirming it. The Vault Dweller; is labeled male because of the memoirs and many people mentioning him by name(well, by tital) and a freaking statue of him, while the Chosen One is labeled a male because of a passing reference to one of many endgame scenarios. I personally think the Chosen One is male, but I don't see concrete evidence nor Bethesda/Obsidian saying it is a guy (And really, Bethesda shouldn't confirm anything about Fallout 2 because they didn't make it) --Alexmikli 05:18, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

The "Bishop Child" ending is neither proven nor refuted in New Vegas. It simply states that the Bishop family is still in control and there is a "Mr. Bishop" in a position of power in New Reno. This does not mean the "Bishop Child" is the only explanation, and therefore does not establish the gender of the Chosen One as necessarily male. Also, good show to the guy who posted above me. I don't like people assuming canon because of one extremely vague and non-specific reference and, clearly, the fact that they just want it that way.

Can we TALK about this instead of just changing it? This is getting a bit ridiculous.

Summation of my (and others') argument on this: "Why does the Mr. Bishop of FO:NV have to be the son of the Chosen One? Women can have only one son and from one specific person only?"

The mention to Bishop's knowledge of the wastes is a clear reference to the FO2 ending with the Bishop child. Anyway, see: Talk:Mr. Bishop. Ausir(talk) <staff/> 23:44, April

25, 2011 (UTC)

While I support making the article gender neutral, I don't like people having an edit war over this, it's ..pretty silly. I was the one who originally tried to make the article gender neutral since the Chosen One was originally sexed as male, but if someone keeps reverting your edit over and over again, go to the talk page that's what it's for. --Alexmikli 01:18, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Bishops wife in Fallout 2 was a complete ho, and so was his daughter. His daughter would apparantly have sex with anyone according to Mrs. Bishop, and so would she for that matter. There's nothing to say that this kid isn't from one of their MANY other "suitors". I mean, talk to Father Tully. --(Unsigned)

Ask yourselves this: if Bethesda were to explicitly establish the Chosen One as canonically female, would that actually contradict anything that Bruce Isaac says? The answer is clearly no. The fact that they wouldn't need to do ANY retconning to make that happen shows that certainty is not the attitude that we should be taking here. It would be surprising, sure, since we had reasonable grounds for the natural assumption, but you know what Skeeter says about "assuming." Also, Alexmikli raises a good point: the writers of Marcus's dialogue went out of their way to keep it gender-neutral. English isn't the easiest language to stay gender-neutral in (especially if you can't even use the NAME of the person!), but they managed it. Why would they do that if they wanted Bruce Isaac to be the last word on the matter? So I support making it gender-neutral. Or, failing that, a compromise position where words such as "implied" are used next to the word "male." The calculator 19:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Given that Bruce Isaac explicitly refers to a particular ending that is only true when certain requirements are met, I don't think there's grounds for claiming that New Vegas leaves that vague. There's at least one reference to the VD being male and none at all that they were female. Tagaziel 20:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
He does not explicitly refer to anything. The writers used the literary device of allusion for our entertainment, but they deliberately left things vague enough to allow for multiple interpretations. (The ending that you refer to didn't necessarily happen; something similar could have happened involving a different nomadic tribal.) Given that the writers deliberately left it vague, the article should also leave it vague.The calculator 20:19, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
How is it left deliberately vague if it's a very specific reference to a particular ending? "Something similar could've happened involving a different nomadic tribal" contradicts the prerequisites for the ending. The "Tribal Mr Bishop" ending occurs if, and only if, the Chosen One sleeps with Miss Bishop and convinces her to move on. Isaac specifically refers to the end result of this chain of events. Are you seriously proposing ignoring facts? Tagaziel 21:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Actually, the ending that you refer to only occurs if you DON'T convince her to move on. But that's not the main point. The point is, the only things that Bruce Isaac establishes as canon are that:
  1. The Bishop family still exists and owns the Shark Club, and
  2. The head of the Bishop family is a badass wandering part-tribal.
And, sure, ONE way for those things to come to pass would be for the Bishop/pregnancy/stay-in-Reno ending to be canon (and of course that's the obvious way), but that's not the only way: the Bishops could still exist as a minor faction, just not one worthy of its own Fallout 2 ending screen (which was focused exclusively on who won control of the city). In some ways this would make even MORE sense: it is established in Clayton Ettienne's dialogue that Reno is controlled by the Wrights and the Van Graffs. And yet, this contradicts the part of Bishop ending that says "When he turned thirteen, he seized control of the Bishop Family and led them to victory over the remaining New Reno families." Did the mighty descendant of the Chosen One conqueror Reno only to be overthrown by the stupid Wrights? Or was it just the descendant of one of Angela's many suitors, who led a Bishop family of greatly diminished importance? I'd say it's ambiguous at best, and the article should reflect that (as should all the related ones). The calculator 03:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
My bad, confused the two endings. However, the point stands: Bruce Isaac refers explicitly to that ending, which is the only ending in which a descendant of the Bishop arises that takes control of the family and keeps it in power. Fallout: New Vegas retcons the endings a bit and establishes a new power structure, without wiping out other families.
And still, what you propose is conjecture, not backed up by solid facts. We have at least one reference directly tied to a particular Fallout 2 ending, for which a male Chosen One is a prerequisite, and none for a female Chosen One. It is the mention of a personal trait that only results from either Bishop woman being impregnated by the Chosen One that really tips the scale. Without it I'd be campaigning as hard as you for keeping the article ambiguous as to the gender. Tagaziel 07:46, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
And if it weren't for Marcus, I'd probably be on your side about this. (Or, at most, still advocating the compromise position of "Male (implied)".) But the way Marcus talks about his time with the Chosen One speaks to me of an intention by Obsidian not to specify a gender. I know it's hardly convincing to argue a point based on the absence of something, but the absence of the masculine pronoun definitely feels like an intentional developers' choice. And since that intention is fully compatible with what Bruce Isaac says, I'm inclined to go along with the continued ambiguity. That is to say, I think that they wanted ambiguity to continue to be canon here, but were willing to put in a fun reference to the Bishop women, since doing so did not, in fact, bind them to a specific gender for the Chosen One.
Because it's certainly possible to finish Reno in such a way that Bruce Isaac's nemesis is not related to the Chosen One. To whit:
  1. Wipe out the Salvatores.
  2. Wipe out the Mordinos OR cripple the Mordino family by curing jet (debatable).
  3. Sleep with Mrs. Bishop without getting her pregnant (either with a condom, or as a woman). During pillow talk, ask her how to assassinate her husband by "repairing" his safe. Do so. Ka-boom.
  4. Don't enter the Sierra Army Depot.
Doing all of this results in the Wrights being the only power left in Reno, but with the Shark Club still open for business. The guards never do kick out the Bishop women. (Mrs. Bishop is certainly unconcerned on that front: "Who cares? John's dead. Long live John! The bastard.") So when some wanderer does eventually impregnate Angela (a statistical certainty), that child is in a good position to take over the Shark Club and the Bishop crime family, but NOT in a good position to wrest control of the city from the Wrights and Van Graffs. And as for the coincidence of that wanderer also being a tribal, the fact of the matter is that Angela has tribal fever. ("Little tramp'll sleep with any tribal that shakes his peace pipe at her.") And it's not surprising that a tribal would wander into town, since many tribals are nomadic outdoorsmen. And that wanderlust would then be inherited. Unlikely? Maybe. But Obsidian left themselves this "out" when they wrote Isaac's dialogue (intentionally, I think, but either way), and we shouldn't let our enthusiasm for verified canon genders and endings blind us to this fact. The calculator 11:22, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

While it is certainly in the realm of the possibility that another wanderer might impregnate Angela Bishop, Bruce Isaac refers to a character trait that's a confirmed character trait of a child sired by the Chosen One. Occam's Razor. Mr Bishop not being the Chosen One's son requires a lot of reasoning and assumptions you outlined above. The other variant is simply taking Isaac's mention of the trait and connecting it to the child sired by the Chosen One.

There are two confirmed elements of Mr Bishop:

  1. Preference for wasteland wandering (to the point of knowing them "like the back of his hand")
  2. Control over the Bishop family

Both are confirmed in dialogue by Bruce Isaac and match the Fallout 2 ending (save for the victory over families bit, which is retconned by the game). This reasoning doesn't require assumptions or presumptions as to Obsidian's intent. It's simply taking at face value the facts given to us by the game. Tagaziel 11:41, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Basically common sense...

While we add all files spoken by the player character that one does not associate with other characters, shouldn't there at least be a note there stating the fact common sense or not?--Ant2242 (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

We don't do that? Tagaziel (talk) 17:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)