Talk: Deathclaw gauntlet (Fallout 3)

Removed retarded note

Somebody posted this: "(It's actually because the wonderglue molds and gains weight thus turning to a solid)" as an explanation for why the gauntlet weighs twice as much as the seperate components combined used to make it. Wow. Firstly, glue does not get heavier when it hardens. Secondly, the sentence, as written, suggests that because the wonderglue molds, or because it gains weight, it turns into a solid. Molding is the same as turning into a solid; it isn't a cause-effect relationship. And gaining weight isn't what makes glue solid. Wow.

I read the reason for this it was something about deathclaw hand being pumped up with radiation and still growing long after dead.Confrimed by email i sent to Bethesda.

Come On People!

"The Deathclaw is probably a nod to Freddy Kreuger, the knife handed serial killer from Nightmare on Elm Street"... Really? The 8 foot tall, dinosaur-ish looking biped that hunts at night is a reference to a fictional movie character? I can see the resembelence if you dress your character right, but there is NO connection between Kreuger and a Deathclaw. People need to stop grasping for straws. --RedTracer7 15:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Totally, just like how Power Armor is a complete nod to Halo which means that when Bethesda releases more DLC (maybe) that we will get the covenant as a new enemy. We will get energy swords (You know, its actually not a half bad idea) and then a Spartan suit of armor. Duh... AgentSergei 09:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Notes section

Is the note regarding the condition percentages correct? It seems wrong on the surface.. 75%, 100% and 125%? I don't see any way to display (or measure) condition beyond 100%. Bsdasym 01:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind I suppose. Madcat's talk page discusses it but it still seems 'wrong'. I imagine when average people are looking at the page, they are expecting to see absolute condition, not relative condition to 1 schematic.Bsdasym 01:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm still not sure whether or not the Deathclaw will have 100% critical with the Ninja Perk as the page suggests. --Clean Up 17:15, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

   It seems to in my game; since taking the Ninja Perk (with 10 Luck and the Finesse Perk) I score a critical 
   hit with every swing of the Gauntlet, so the principal seems sound.  Theoretically, you could so the same 
   with just 5 Luck and the Ninja Perk. Keemonto 14:09, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

My unarmed character has 6 luck and ninja, and does not critical 100% of the time w/ a fully repaired DCG. (PS3) 68.192.9.90 18:54, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

General

Is there any way to prompt the random encounter with the wounded Deathclaw in the barn behind the vault? I've tried going there over 50 times. No dice, wasted about 30 minutes on this. I'm not exactly tech savvy, so if someone could float me some even seemingly obvious ideas it'd be much appreciated. Thanks! - ^We _Heart ^Katamari 21:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, I'm wearing a Deathclaw Gauntlet and Leather Armor. Not sure if that will make a difference with the spawning or what not. On my other character I just came to the barn and it was there - first time. - ^We _Heart ^Katamari 22:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I got it! :D - ^We _Heart ^Katamari 22:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I think this weapon might be a melee weapon, not a unarmed weapon. If you assign weapons to the d-pad buttons in the PS3 version it displays the weapon type as an icon. It accurately shows big guns with a mini-nuke icon, energy weapons as a lightning bolt, and so on. The icon for unarmed weapons is a fist (and this shows for powerfist, brass and spiked knuckles), but the Deathclaw Gauntlet shows as a tomahawk icon. The same icon used for baseball bats, tire irons, knives, and the like. Another indicator that it is not a unarmed weapon is my PC has high unarmed skill (68) and moderate melee skill(41). When I use spiked knuckles (12 DAM) she clearly does more damage than the Deathclaw Gauntlet (24 DAM). Do we have any evidence to the contrary? 76.103.182.3 15:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Grav

It can be affected by Iron Fist perk though.

Did you find this through experimenting or does the game mention it somewhere? Just curious. This might be interesting info to add to the page, I think. Kinda like a "glitch: it shows a melee icon when it is, in fact, unarmed." Whatever you think.

   The game simply adds in Iron Fist damage to the DMG stat when you're looking at the weapon; thus, having 
   taken the Iron Fist Perk three times, the DMG stat on the Deathclaw Gauntlet is 43. Keemonto 14:14, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

76.103.182.3 08:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Grav

Strange. The G.E.C.K. (editor) shows it on Form List "H2HWeaponsA", where everything else is obviously Unarmed (Brass & Spiked Knuckles, Power Fist, etc.). And its display(?) data appears to be in the H2H directory. But the weapon itself says it is of Melee type, unlike everything else on FLST H2HWeaponsA. Bug or not, it sounds like it might indeed actually be Melee? Ouch if it is, for players using it. But I am a GECK newbie and could be missing something. Also note, you may be able to use GECK to make it Unarmed... maybe. -RedKnight7 22:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The weapon's "Equip Type" is Melee, but it does use the Unarmed skill (and, as mentioned earlier, is affected by Iron Fist). According to the GECK Wiki, Equip Type only affects the "categorization of the weapon used in game," which would probably explain the incorrect icon mentioned earlier as well. -Galahaut 19:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

This is not a melee, it is unarmed, I just used it and got parlyzing palm, it may just be a missclassification in the GECK (ps. im a xbox user)--Bayonetta 03:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I've amended the bit about the Super-Duper Mart being PS3 or 360 specific. I have the PC version and very first game got it out the front of the Super-Duper Mart (Deathclaw was already dead, but could have been fighting with Raiders before I got there, there were 2 still alive). 2nd and 3rd time around didn't happen, and the Raiders were always instead dead.--122.108.197.181 04:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I can back up this claim. I encountered the event during the Wasteland Survival Guide quest to the Super-Duper Mart. This is on PC, playing on Very Hard difficulty. Less than three hours out of the vault and I see a Deathclaw, lucky me. The Deathclaw in question was near death (about 3 bars of HP left) and heavily crippled (both legs). All the Raiders that usually guard the Super-Duper Mart were found dead, with the Wasteland Settler's body nearby with the schematic. Dthvirus 22:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The barn

Does it have to be your first time going to the barn? Or can I try that (basically) save-stating anyway, since I haven't been there in a long time? NightChime 00:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Question for those who have found the Random Encounter

Did anyone run into the random encounter with the schematics Settler while fast travelling to the location with the encounter? If we can get a confirmation of this, players looking for it can probably simply FT back and forth between two locations where it's been sighted, without having to reload, worry about whether they're at the right distance for triggering it, etc. So... can anyone recall FT'ing into the encounter? -RedKnight7 18:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Probably wouldn't work. Once a single random event has been triggered at a location, no more will trigger at that particular place. Thus, traveling back and forth between two locations would not trigger any new encounters after the first one at each. 68.209.248.80 07:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, 68. But aren't you also saying it would work, if one knows no other random encounter has taken place there? -RedKnight7 09:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

   But as soon as you fast traveled there a random encounter would occur, so if you wanted a different random 
   encounter at that location than the one which first appeared, you would have to reload a previous save; fast 
   traveling to another encounter site and then fast traveling back would not trigger a new event.  As for the primary question, 
   yes, I have fast traveled into a variety of events, this one included.  It seems that after a significant period of in-game 
   time has passed (in my case ~3 weeks), some areas at least can be re-triggered for a new event: at Meresti Trainyard on my 
   present playthrough I have triggered the random encounter with Ghouls around a burning trash can, only to later fast travel 
   back and get attacked by the Deathclaw. Keemonto 14:26, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

That's funny, the Trivia about Kruger...

Can anyone post an image of their character dressed like it says? Remove this after you do it... and thanks! -RedKnight7 06:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I just got all the items. Is there any way I can turn the view around to see the character from the front, besides trying to get a VATS action picture? 142.167.147.144 06:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Until someone answers:

J Hoyt 07:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hold down the 'F' Key and you can rotate the camera.

It's too bad there aren't any red and green striped sweaters in the game. That would complete the ensemble and make the likeness almost uncanny. --MadDawg2552 16:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

If you want a true kruger,you need to get a dirt pre war kids outfit,as it resembles him the most,you can get it off several kids around little lamplight,as well as junior smith in andale and derek pacion in canterbury commons,you do however need to reverse pick pocket it Werewolfhell 16:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Wait, wait, wait! I thought you were unable to take the clothing off of children. Although it does have a striking resemblance to Freddy's sweater, you can't obtain it. If so, how? It would be so much easier if Bethesda enabled children to die in the game. Why would they do that? Mayor MaCready SO deserves to die!

All you have to do is reverse-pickpocket better apparel onto them, then wait for an hour and pickpocket the Athelete of the Wastes outfit off of them.

If you want advice on how to do this or other fun things in this nature please visit this page and please contribute.I already have Freddy and Jason. Acdczombie 09:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

What the?

What's with all the first-person junk in the Article? --AshRandom 04:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay I'm going to make a judgement call and move the "Note from Romania" here to the talk page..

Note from Romania

First I have found the ID from the Wastelander ( ID 32B31 ). Then I have used player.moveto 32B31. This is the strange part now. The game teleport me between Green Pastures Disponsal Site MDPL-13 Power Station, near a bridge. The problem was that the Wastelander wasn't there any more (only the Deathclaw), it like he had disappear. This happends only when you go near the fight ( Deathclaw and the Wastelander for the first time ) on that part of the map and you don't notice them. If you observe that in time, when you go into a place( and you have waste a Raider a long time ago ) when you get there the body is not there any more. So somehow, it happend to the Wastelander the same. Beeing killed by the Deathclaw and because you didn't go there for a long time, the game had made him somehow to say "disable". Now to get the schematics, type this commands in order. Prid 32B31-> Resurrect-> Enable-> Moveto player-> Or try this one Prid 32B31-> Resurrect-> Disable-> Enable-> Moveto player-> Or this one Prid 32B31-> Resurrect-> Moveto player-> Enable-> Or this one Prid 32B31-> Resurrect-> Disable-> Moveto player-> Enable-> Try to make him appear again. Now, when you have the schematics. Just type Kill. To make him die and you to not lose any Karma. This is not a cheat/cheating. Your using this commands to get the schematics, like in my example with the body that disappear. How could I know where he his, I have to search every couner of the game to find him, it possible to happend to you too, the Wastelander have dissapear, so how do you know where he is more exactly, if he had dissapear, your search him for nothing, you can not get him back only using the commands. So I have used the commands to find him more easy. Is just like I have found his body and took the schematics. This have been done, when I have complete the game, having everything and having all 160 locations of the game.( well I'm at the last mission ) Pictures of the place with the Deathclaw and the Wastelander. http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1347/screenshot10ne1.jpg http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1331/screenshot11re8.jpg

Now you just have to do like me. Hope to find him!

This is just a'n example where the Wastelander possible to be. He can be anywhere on this map, but I have found him at this part of the location. Why I have done this at the end the last mission. Because at 50% of the game, if you type "prid 32B31" it possible to teleport you here. This is the place where all the random encounters. If you kill him there, possible that in he will not come back on the real map, because you have killed him there. Possible that he will stay in this part of the map and possible to crash your game. So just be patience and try to kill him in the real map. I don't know exactly where this place is and don't know how to name it. http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4171/screenshot12vj1.jpg

I have only this 2 Radom Encounters left that I have to face them in the real map.

And about barn behind Vault 101. I don't think that you gona find him there. I think you gona find there only the Wastelander with John's Key. There I have found only 2 times John's key and nobody else. I have the body 2 time with 4 dogs eating him, and atack me then. Yes it appear 2 body's in time, with the same John's key and the same note. First body I have found there at the beginning of the game, and the second body, again when I have read about the barn behind Vault 101, because to me too, I need the last Deathclaw Gauntlet schematics. Good Luck : From BLITZ. Sorry for some bad words, I'm from Romania

Thanks, Blitz. I'm sure some folks will like seeing the console commands. However, one could also simply create the schematics, if they want to use console.

You might want to see the page on Random Encounters. Good gaming! And hello Romania! -RedKnight7 06:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Outside Rockopolis

Just got the random encounter with the Wasteland Settler the first time I exited Rockopolis. He was directly in front of the boulder. I guess Charon shot him as soon as we appeared because he died before I even moved. If it matters I had 1 other schematic from the camp ground trailer. This is on 360 version btw.07:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)EugeneT

Critical% Equation

"With its extremely high critical multiplier(5), high bonus damage from critical hits(+30), as well as its armor piercing ability, it can be devastating with Ninja perk. A player with 10 luck can score a critical hit very often with Ninja perk. ie (10%*5) + 15% = 65%. (plus the possibility of other bonuses)" --24.178.188.157

Looking for confirmation:

Is that really how the Ninja's perk bonus works? Is the bonus +15% after the fact? Or does it count as part of base luck crit%? Like the way finesse counts as part of our luck ((10+5)*5)=75. I suppose having ten luck and ninja then only getting crits 2/3 of the time would prove it.

AshRandom (Talk) 16:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, according to this post (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-47377733&pid=918428) someone who should be getting 100% crits without finesse but with ninja if it stacked in the ((luck+15)*5) way is not. Can you confirm that with finesse you do in fact get ((10+5)*5)=90% not ((10*5)+5)=55%? 24.178.188.157 17:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Daniel

Er, both of our basic math is a bit off. If finesse stacks inside the parentheses, it would yield ((10+5)*5)=75, not 90% as originally stated.24.178.188.157 17:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Daniel

mmmm, looks like I added the 15 one too many times... Well that's excellent actually, if its potentially 90% then I can test my character to see if he doesn't always get a critical-strike. (which I don't think is the case, but, I never really gave it a critical eye, god that was a bad pun). If I can land non-criticals inside of that 10% a few times it'll prove that the ninja perk is most definitely +15% after the fact. AshRandom (Talk)

As investigation into the calculations revealed that critical chance bonuses are grouped with luck before being hit with the weapon's critical multiplier, I've re-written the Strategy section.

AshRandom (Talk) 02:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

My last/first game on normal was all about energy/small guns. I'd like to melee/unarmed themed this time. Anyhow, I've been wondering about the functionality of paralyzing palms. Can you use it while wielding an unarmed weapon, or even armour? The description says completely unarmed..if that just means fists and no armor I can't think of a use for it :C.

the palm strike works with any unarmed weapon, so, yes.

AshRandom (Talk) 03:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion over on the Sniper Rifles says that Critical% is dependent on weapon condition (final critical% * weapon condition% = actual critical%). Is that the case on Deathclaws, too? In other words, if a player has 5 luck and the Ninja perk, and he's using an 80% Deathclaw Gauntlet... will he critical 100% of the time, or just 80%? Some Sort 08:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I tested this in Megaton with my character, who has just enough critical chance (17%) to hit 100% of the time in VATS with a 5x critical multiplier. Even with a poor quality gauntlet, I never failed to crit when hitting people in VATS. 24.65.35.146 20:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

damage

I been testing around with this weapons going up against deathclaws. Getav health reports they have 500 health. With sneak crit, they are 1 hit kills :D It seems that this weapon does 503 damage (normal diff, ninja, bettercrit, bloodymess, ironfist). It does 503 damage to supermute behemoth too, but they have 2000 HP, so it is just 1/4 of the health. The damage seem inconsistant when vs humans. May be it is because hitting different body parts?--LAffindude 22:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

-I been testing the weapon on mirelurks because of the note on the gauntlet should be used against them. It seems that ANY unarmed or melee weapon will do the full damage to mirelurks. My powerfist shows it does 43 damage in game, and it does exactly 43 damage per hit. Looking in geck will show you lurks have NO damage resistance, so no damage resist to ignore. The body part data says it gets 50% damage multiplier on the torso and that why they are tough to mow down. I am going to move the note here.

-It's also a must-have weapon for Mirelurk Hunters, since it completely ignores the Mirelurks' tough exoskeleton armor.

Repairing

Maybe it should be noted in the article how the weapon can be repaired.

It's pretty obvious...Coodude26 00:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ignores damage resistance broken in PC version 1.5

Lol, this game is so buggy. Not only is the armor ignoring property of the DG broken (and any other weapon with that flag set, like the Man Opener), but even things like crits which are supposed to bypass DR don't. Tested in PC version 1.5 using the console. So let's make a list of non-functional crap:

1. All perks affecting vats chance to hit (FINALLY fixed in 1.5)

2. Ninja crit chance bonus not working (not fixed)

3. Armor ignoring damage not ignoring armor

4. Nerves of Steel broken (from Broken Steel DLC)

5. Literally pages of bugs listed in the Unofficial Fallout 3 patch notes.

I really like this game, but Bethesda's quality control is shit. How are you supposed to plan a character when half the game mechanics don't work properly? Athenau 03:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Ignores damage resistance not broken ps3 1.6 patch

Nope.

Ninja perk and DR still not functional.

He's right - Since 1.5 a lot of the cool shit that worked before 1.5 no longer works.

Pisses me off.

Was this working in 1.4? I never checked. Athenau 02:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Does the fake 1.5 patch break the deathclaw gauntlet as well?

No idea, I'm not even sure that 1.5 "breaks" it. It may be that it never worked. It's hard to tell, because the only enemies with damage resistance are humans wearing armor, and the ones with a significant amount of DR are enclave/brotherhood soldiers. It may be that no one noticed it until now. Athenau 23:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Strategy

With its extremely high critical percent multiplier (x5), high bonus damage from critical strikes (+30), as well as its armor piercing ability, it can be more devastating in the player's hands than when attached to a living Deathclaw!
This already deadly weapon becomes much more deadly when you have all three ranks of Iron Fist.
With the Ninja perk (+15%), a player with 5 Luck will always score a critical strike {[(15+5)*5]=100%}. However, the Ninja perk is broken. See its article for details.
Long before level twenty, players with 10 Luck, Finesse (+5%), and Survival Guru (+3%) will be able to critical almost as often {[(10+5+3)*5]=90%}.
Since VATS attacks add a flat +15% bonus it's possible to reach a 100% critical rate without the ninja perk.
However ingame test (360 version with patch 1.5.0.23) with a character with 5 Luck, finesse and survival guru perk. The result from 30 VATS hits: 21 crit hits, 9 normal hits. Despite (5+5+3+15)*5 = 140, it doesn't result in 100% critical hits.
- This is actually an expected result as the 15% VATS bonus is added after the fact rather than in the critical multiplier: (5+5+3) * 5 = 65 + 15 = 80% critical chance in VATS

Broken on Xbox?

Does the ignore damage resistance effect still work on the xbox 360? 70.67.27.132 20:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Shishkebab or Deathclaw Gauntlet?

So I have an Energy Weapons character whose level 16 right now, and I want a decent melee weapon to fall back on (I've been using a ripper). I finally found the deathclaw sanctuary so I raided it and got 11 deathclaw hands. I can finally make a deathclaw gauntlet, but I also have the shishkebab schematics. So I'm asking, which is better, the deathclaw gauntlet or the shishkebab for someone who is just going to use it occasionally

If i were i would use deathclaw gauntlet big damage diff and igonre armor. Shishkebab parts are harder to find as well.

With the game going up to lvl 30 the dc gauntlet is better since you can pick the iron fist perk 3 times. The shish with pyromaniac is still a force to be reconed with however, also many people actually prefer the unique ripper 'Jack' to both the dcg and the shish.--86.142.189.153 19:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

DCG + equipment stacking effect (Followers) + Hockey mask = One-hit Behemoths!

This glitch works w/ any follower (or so I am told). One could use a hockey mask to make a followers unarmed skill THROUGH THE GODDAMN ROOF and equip them w/ a DCG, similar to the CSA glitch. I've started over and am at the beginning of the game. Anyone wanna test this for me? (On PC, since you guys can check stats)