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Shadow government notice

In nations with less apparent strife, there are several safeguards in place in the event of a disaster strong enough to disrupt the functioning of the government. The United States had Continuity of Operations Plan, Continuity of Government and the presidential line of succession plans.

USA government in the Enclave is called "shadow government" in somewhat pejorative meaning of a government, that takes over in the event of a disaster. Conspiracy-theorists define "shadow government" as a secret organization within the legal government. This secret government is often portrayed as corrupt, illegaly financed, having connections to illegal or secret organizations and keeping sinister secrets.

It is very likely however, that Enclave government it successed from some designated survivor. In such case it can be said, that Enclave has the only known and legal United States of America government (at least president, Cabinet and Senate) in Fallout world.

There are not known other survived US president succesors. NORAD computer stations are offline and according to van Buren Boulder design document there is the large Crater, source of glowing ghouls. According to Fallout 3 hearings D.C. area wasn't totally destroyed - devastated Capitol building is present as early concept, as well as devastated Pentagon building with no US government human staff presence (it is not certain if Chinese neutron bomb was possible in Fallout world).


  • damn "first term of five" - is it one of five terms or five years term?--dotz 10:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • small JES PnP picture missing--dotz 11:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
  • presidentioal door seal picture from the oil rig is missing--dotz 10:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Clean up

Ausir, for God's sake, if you paste clean up template, please explain what should be improved. It became kind of dossier of course, but very honest. To many source details?--dotz 10:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the source images are excessive, as were the canon templates. I pasted it mostly because it looked messy and I intended to clean it up later. The logos are just something I used in the timeline, but here it's best to use references (<ref></ref>) to specific dialogue files etc. Ausir 15:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey, what is wrong with my lovely templates?--dotz 20:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
There's too many of them. I suggest using the template only if the whole article or a large portion of it (e.g. a section) is from a specific source. Otherwise, the templates clutter the page too much and it's better to simply use <ref></ref> for the specific references. Ausir 20:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Reference to Sawyer's PnP is not needed since we know that remants of the Enclave survived from FO3, a more canon source. And generally, I think you're adding too many references for stuff that would read better in parentheses - I'd generally add only sources, notes about non-canon alternate endings, etc. as refs. Stuff like Autumn being the only one who knew that Eden is an AI is something that is more suited to the main body of the article instead of just a note. Ausir 09:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Just personal preference concerning weight of information. References make articles shorter. Sawyer mentioned broken remnants of Enclave - it is not the same as quite powerfull "Wasteland" Enclave.--dotz 07:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


Just wanted to state that John Henry Eden never started as an AI (according to FO3). He began as a monitoring system for the vault (or whatever) he was in. As many of these other vaults went quiet he slowly became self aware and began to study the extensive archives left to him (mainly those of the U.S. government). His favorite (according to him) were about the presidents. He modeled himself from the information based in those archives and took the vacant seat of power. I believe the ZAX were the line of computer used to manage the government based vaults. TerraVolt 09:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)dotz 10:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

DoD is Defense Department

In the US, the Department of Defense, and Defense Department are the same thing, so there is no use have them as different.

recreating of the non-dossier article

I am going to rewright the subject with no periodization for branches and departments. F3 source data will wbe included here and at the new article.--dotz 14:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)