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You can only play a human in FoT as well, you had to get non human recruits later, if you wanted any.--Fez 09:03, 16 Mar 2005 (GMT)

No point in writing this at the discussion area, Fez. You're right, so simply edit the article. Dan 18:41, 16 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Well, you can play non-humans in multiplayer... Ausir 22:11, 16 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Sapient should be Sentient?[edit source]

Will people stop using the word Sapient? The correct term is sentient!

You're incorrect. Sentience is often used to describe beings as intellegent as humans, but the proper term is sapience. (Sapient: full of wisdom: wise or learned; Sentient: conscious: capable of feeling and perception). A roach can feel but would you call it wise?

"Sapience" isn't the proper term; it's a similar term used to denote something slightly different than "sentience." "Sentient" is indeed the proper and conventional term when describing the difference between humans and other animals.
More to the point, though, neither word was appropriate in the sentence in the article, since humans there are being compared to, among other things, feral ghouls, which are neither sentient nor sapient. I changed it to make more sense.--Gothemasticator 04:07, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Whats a pure human?[edit source]

Is a pure human a human without any mutations or something? Chiefsean16 13:43, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. If I remember correctly that is also the term used by The Enclave.

Ghost People[edit source]

Where should we classify Ghost People? We know that they mutated from humans, but should we place them under their own subspecies, or are they different enough that they should be considered their own species, like ghouls and super-mutants?

Vault City as an example of possible pure humans? I think not.[edit source]

"It is also reasonably possible that certain groups that have descended from Vault populations (Boomers, Vault City) have also survived, unchanged, having come out of their Vaults at a time where most radiation and fallout has subsided."

This may have been true in 2091 when Vault 8 opened, but it was certainly not true by 2241. Vault City citizens have enough chromosomal damage from the Gecko plant that they can't even reproduce naturally. An Enclave soldier who came across a Vault City citizen might think she's a pure or near-pure human because she's better groomed and cleaner than the average wastelander, but their actual genes are probably more mutated than the average wastelander living in Modoc or Arroyo or the like.

"Pure"[edit source]

I object to the inclusion of the Enclave's genocidal pure/non-pure categorizations. It does not belong on this article page. The discussion of the Enclave's thoughts about the nature of humanity belong on the relevant Enclave or President Richardson pages, not here.--Gothemasticator 05:29, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

"Pure" and "Non-pure" human definition are part of the background of Fallout since Fallout 2 and should be respected like any other part of the Fallout universe. It's also allow an understanding of why and how the objective of the Enclave.
If you want a better understanding on that, please play Fallout and Fallout 2. Itachou [~talk~] 12:41, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
The Pure/non-pure categorization is pure propaganda. In Fallout 1 there was no pure humans, just prime normals with a low radiation count. Tagaziel (call!) 12:55, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
Do we hear anyone but the Lieutenant and Harry use the term "prime normal?" If so, where and when? If not, why is the Unity propaganda term preferred to the Enclave propaganda term? Idhan 22:35, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's not a propaganda term, is a fact said in dialogue of Richardson - "Because you are. Your tribe's DNA has changed since your ancestor left the vault. Unavoidable. All that background radiation you've been exposed to."

Since their DNA have changed, they are no more "normal" humans (see DNA on wikipedia if you want to know more about that), and this particularity is see especially with the transformation into mariposa super mutant - more a human is affected and therefore "no-pure", more their transformation into mariposa super mutant have a great chance of fail (making the person brutal, stupid and dumb - that why the Master looking for vault dwellers). Itachou [~talk~] 13:06, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I replayed Fallout 3 right now and yes, pure and non-pure human are not the same. The modified FEV of President Eden for Project Purity kill all mutated creature (including "non-pure" human), but no "pure" human (as he says himself, not those who grew up in a vault, and no the Enclave members). Itachou [~talk~] 13:47, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit source]

Rewrote the article to make actual sense. Human species and sub-species are now divided by phenotype and physiology rather than "evolution"/"mutation". Human purity has been stripped out and replaced with an explanation of the Enclave's misguided logic, for the simple reason that Richardson and Eden are bastard children of Adolf Hitler and Alfred Rosenberg, making their claims unreliable evidence. Tagaziel (call!) 16:35, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

You guys should probably make a forum about this and what the Community and the rest of the adminship think of the page, or someone is probably going to ban you for edit warring. Just saying.

Tbh i don't know why on Earth the page exists. It could be better with just a WikiPedia link. Does every other Wiki on the Network have an article for Humans? No. Trolly Polly Olly 17:00, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

The introduction, it's already perfect. You have also add to bit of useless things like many things of latin that don't need to the page, and remove things that should be keep like tribals.
Also, for the last time, pure and non-pure human "exist" in Fallout (games are different of real-life)!!!!!! It's the last time I say to you, otherwise I would not have any choice in report your conduct to Ausir. I'm very patient, I tried to find a proper compromise with you, when all evidence are in-game, but Mikael, you exceed the limits of respect for others. Itachou [~talk~] 17:04, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
There isn't any evidence in the game. Only claims made by two insane, genocidal maniacs. I do not consider genocidal maniacs as reliable sources of factual information, not more reliable than pedophiles being reliable sources of information on children psychology.
You haven't compromised on anything by the way. I incorporated what you wrote. You incorporated nothing of my writing. Tagaziel (call!) 17:13, July 10, 2011 (UTC)
In FO2, the Enclave personnel was actually vaccinated against FEV, they were not resistant because they were "pure". It's very likely that it's the same for the Eden version, and that Eden was simply lying to the Lone Wanderer. I see no reason to trust anything Eden is saying. Ausir(talk) <staff/> 17:13, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

So the question has been resolved ;). I improved the page by adding all that was possible in terms of knowledge on each sub-species and sub-types, and reformat the intro who was stray too far from the subject like Latin locution. Anyway, your work was already great Mikael, well done! Itachou [~talk~] 14:53, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

In regards to...[edit source]

In regards to

Tbh i don't know why on Earth the page exists. It could be better with just a WikiPedia link. Does every other Wiki on the Network have an article for Humans? No.

Trolly Polly Olly 17:00, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

The page exists because this is a video game wiki. If there were no differences between RL humans and ingame humans, then a wikipedia link might be appropriate. Look at WoWWiki, they have a "human" article that goes into great depth about the history of of humanity in Azeroth; UESP doesn't have a human article simply because there are more than one race of humans in the Elder Scrolls series, and they're divided up into individual articles. On this wiki, the radiation and other post-War environmental factors have had an effect on the human race, and it is to expand upon that which is the purpose of this article. --Kris User Hola.jpg 15:17, July 11, 2011 (UTC)