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A full map of U.S. Route 50 can be found here. --Flower of Pock-Lips 15:50, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Where is the in Fallout 3? --Schmitty952 21:42, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
Apparently, it goes straight through the mall. Crimpycracker 00:42, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
For posterity, at the time this entry was written, this article was about U.S. Route 50, which appears in Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas, the Nevada portion of which is known as "the loneliest road in America". --Flower of Pock-Lips 18:21, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't Route 50 seem a long way north of the game area? Zion NP looks to be about half the distance of the shortest route between Vegas and Route 50, and that's a 14 day hike. Granted Point Lookout in FO3 is 90 days or something, though you've got the ferry to take you there.
Also, it seems more likely that the Mojave Outpost (because of its prominent road) or the Canyon Wreckage will be the entry point to the DLC; the only likely entry point to the north is the unnamed goop hole west of Brooks Tumbleweed Ranch, and that doesn't look to be getting cleaned up in a hurry. Hayst81
Joshua Graham makes reference to the Divide closing off California Route 127 (see Vault article on The Divide), which if one looks at a map of the area is the entry into Death Valley off of I-15. Mind you, New Vegas takes liberties with the road layout in order to keep gameplay consistent (there is no road from Goodsprings, NV north to Enterprise/Las Vegas/NV State Route 160 in our real world, but there is one---the Cazador-infested road north from the gas station---in-game.) There may be a road through the canyon wreckage, or they may just be planning to use the Mojave Outpost as the jumping off point as in the real world. SimuLord 09:33, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

How about this for the divide (flatscan82) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Divide_of_the_Americas

While it seems to me that the divide is most likely west of NV, does anyone think that the town in the Divide mentioned at the Meteorological Station, Hopeville, may be the hometown of the courier? There is some graffiti at the canyon wreckage that says "You Can Go Home, Courier" and there now seems to be an achievement called "Hometown Hero." Somehow I don't think it is a coincidence. 07:31, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

The Courier cannot have a designated "home" or "origin", as he is, and always were intended to be, a blank slate. This seems to perplex alot of players, but it means that you yourself decide what happened to your courier before he got shot, and you decide the entirety of his background. Avellone himself holds the whole "blank slate" concept dearly, and to break it with a designated home would be utterly dumb in every single way. This is why the Courier cannot be from the Divide. And let us not forget The Player Character isn't the only Courier out there is the Mojave Wasteland. User:Dr.Brizzie6:37, August 20, 2011

John Cassidy?

Cass mentions the divide when you ask her about dynamite. She also says that her dad left to the east and never came back. That sounds just like Veronica's Elijah foreshadowing. I wouldn't be suprized to see him show up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serose8 (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Him traveling east could be a reference to him upping sticks and leaving with the Chosen One. --Flower of Pock-Lips 12:25, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Unlikely when you consider his daughter was born in 2244 and the Chosen One's journey was in 2241.

--LordVukodlak 18:30, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

and the developers did hint at us seeing a character from the past games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
No they didn't, that was part of the post about the fake DLC and speculation regarding "Old Bones"

Well the U.S. route 50 leads through the mall,(according to Crimpycracker) the so I wouldn't be surprised to meet the lone wanderer.

For clarification, the section of Constitution Avenue in Washington that passes the National Mall is signed US Route 1. US 50 exits off I-66 about five blocks north of the Mall, roughly where Vernon Square is located. So the Lonesome Road may lead to Vault-Tec Headquarters, but you'd have to go through the Metro tunnels to get to the Mall. Minor quibble, of course---the underlying point is that indeed US 50 does lead to DC, although that's in our world, not necessarily in the Fallout world. SimuLord 09:18, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


As the article is protected and only admins can edit it, I guess suggestions for additions to the page need to be made on the talk page. We know a lot more than is currently described on this article's page, for example we know it'll take place at the Divide, and we know that the Courier will have a battle with Ulysses here under the flag of the Old World. It's also probably worth mentioning in Notes or Behind the scenes that U.S. Route 50 in Nevada is often known as the "loneliest road in the world". --Flower of Pock-Lips 17:49, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

I would also suggest the addition of a quote to top of the page, Ulysses from Dead Money:
"People are like couriers, sometimes never understanding the messages they bring."
--Flower of Pock-Lips 20:01, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

More info

So according to this post, there's stuff in the Xbox BSA that hints at this DLC? Does anybody with both the BSA on file for whatever reason and the GECK check that out? --Flower of Pock-Lips 15:58, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

What I found kind of interesting was the "Go home courier" sign, its either another one of those funny jokes or perhaps the origin of that sign will be revealed soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TrueToCaesar (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Please add interwiki

[[ru:Lonesome Road]]

--Alex6122 07:44, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Anon talk 08:09, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Song reference

Joe Bonamassa plays song with same title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelebmel (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Actually it sounds more like a reference to this song, which would be thematically appropriate for a Fallout title. --Flower of Pock-Lips 18:03, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Lonesome Road is also the name of a famous song covered by Frank Sinatra

I was doing some snooping around on here, when I found the album that Sinatra's cover of Blue Moon is on. I looked through the rest of the tracks when I found a very interesting some name. "The Lonesome Road" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonesome_Road ) is a 1927 song with music by Nathaniel Shilkret and lyrics by Gene Austin, alternately titled "Lonesome Road", "Look Down that Lonesome Road" and "Lonesome Road Blues." It was written in the style of an African-American folk song. "Lonesome Road" has been recorded in the jazz, blues, and big band music (Basically most of Fallout music).

And Frank Sinatra has a cover of the song on the exact same album as Blue Moon ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkOi4QbSjwI ). Of course most of us know that most of the quests in New Vegas are named after famous songs (Volare!, I Fought The Law, Ring-A Ding Ding, etc.) so this makes it even more obvious that one of the DLCs will be named Lonesome Road.

Just thought you might want to add that.

Canyon Wreckage

Hmattt 02:43, March 23, 2011 (UTC) I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this but if you go on the map and go to canyon wreckage, there is a lot of empty unused space to the left of it. This space can be used for a dlc and be filled with fast travel points as an extension of the map instead of going to a whole new area like dead money did. At the mojave outpost the gate that doesn't have a key also leads to that area so maybe they will both be used as dlc entrances. If you have anything else on this subject please tell me.


In Dead Money all of the NPC's speeches talk about the battle of the divide being under the flags of the old world. I wonder if this means that the Enclave will play a role in Lonesome roads?--Gwuag 00:02, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Doubt it, "Flag of the Old World" is refering to the US Flag before the war. But who knows, I'm speculating that this DLC will take us back to the Core Region. However, I'm not holding my breath. 04:35, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

However, in the audio logs from Old World Blues, Ulysses tells Christine to send The Courier west and sink his feet into the "Old World ash". The only things west of the Mojave Wasteland are locations from the Core Region; also, the Old World flag on the back of Ulysses' jacket is a 13 star flag... the Enclave logo, as it were, is the same layout except it has a prominent 'E' in the center of the circle instead of another star. The U.S. flag, even at the time of the Great War, should have been no less than a 49 star flag (because of Alaska's presence as a state of the Union, per Operation: Anchorage and other FO:3 lore). It seems reasonable to me that Ulysses is, in some way, tied to the Enclave; even his talk of America could be nothing more than rhetoric learned from the Enclave, who see themselves as the remnants of the U.S. government. On a much more speculative note, the picture on Chris Avellone's Twitter account depicts what seems to be a fuel-station sign. I haven't played FO:2 in ages, but if memory serves correctly didn't Navarro have a gas station? Or perhaps "The Divide" is the stretch of ocean between the West Coast and the Enclave Oil Rig? I doubt that last bit, but it would be an excellent location to revisit for both fan service and logistical reasons; after all, it (would/could) potentially fill the criteria of a new area that is large enough for story while simultaneously self-contained. Just some thoughts.

The America of the Fallout universe is not the same as the America our world. The pre-war United States of America Flag did not have 49 (or even 50) stars. Sometime between 1945 and 1969 the Commonwealth was created and the flag was changed to the 13 stars circling one larger star version.

I still wouldn't rule out Ulysses being Enclave, the cast listing lists a Dr. Whitley. Dr. Whitley was the scientist talking in ED-E's logs. Also, the fact the ED-E is getting upgrades in the Divide would not surprise me as to the Enclave actually appearing.

Sharpened this screenshot from the trailer, looks like an 'E' in that flag. http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/368/eflag.jpg -- 04:45, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

If It Takes Place in The Grand Canyon...

If it takes Place in The Grand Canyon then that would require going into Arizona which is Legion territory so it could get pretty interesting.

It takes place in the Divide, which is unlikely to be the Grand Canyon. Ausir(talk) <staff/> 17:19, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
In a holotape in Old World Blues (add-on) Ulysses says he wants the Courier to go west and sink his feet in old world ash. The Grand Canyon is east of New Vegas. RED Sniper 1917 01:32, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Plus didnt techaly(fix me there) honest hearts take place sorta in the grand canyon.Cammax 02:59, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, it took place in Zion National Park User:Tomsdiner 7:21, August 23,2011

Free Play After Main Quest?

"Lonesome Road brings the Courier's story full circle when you are contacted by the original Courier Six, a man by the name of Ulysses who refused to deliver the Platinum Chip at the start of New Vegas. In his transmission, Ulysses promises the answer as to why, but only if you take one last job..."

One last job sounds like a continuation of the Courier's retirement(endgame). It would be really nice if it were like Broken Steel from FO3, but with a good story. (Painterkilla 17:12, May 18, 2011 (UTC))

Its already been stated they won't continue after the base game ending though.--Alpha Lycos 16:07, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

It's literally impossible to make a add-on like broken steel in new vegas because of all the endings


If u help mr house you will basically have hover dam run by robots (not so hard to do) If you go with yes man (pretty much the same thing as house) The NCR whould have complete control of the region every thing whould have to look more modern so on so forth The legion whould turn every one into slaves in the strip no more casinos (most likely not sure) And all the side quests you did a didn't do the main characters you kill (the people who have names) can all have a effect on the future of new Vegas so it would be to hard for bethsada and obsidian to do all of that fallout is such a immense game that it whould take a lot of money to make such a DLC and maybe a year to get out there so many more bugs could be introduced into the game (we have enough of those already) and the only thing that really happens with broken steel is that project purity is active

In conclusion I whould love for such a DLC but with all the bugs that could corrupt the game I'd rather stick to not completing the game and just run around

--Your friend, Austin 18:21, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

They could just make individual DLCs for certain quest lines

Don't be a Nonlife, play fairly. 03:59, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Just wondering

Where did that fancy-looking picture that says Lonesome road on the top of the page come from? Did a member make it or something? User: Yugiohtipman34 07:21, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

And When They Say "The Courier and Ulysses Do Battle" what is it?

They say you and Ulysses fight. I'd pull out the Beaton Cannon and kill him easily or get the alien blaster. How hard could it be? Oh no, a tornado.....that's all that would stand in my way! Anyways, don't you think they should make the NEXT fallout in Utah or Ohio? How bout Florida? Maybe they got wiped out....IDK...


As much as i would love to have a grand sized glorious battle with 50 on 50, it's probably something more sized to the legate fight.

IT doesn't say that the Courier and Ulysses do battle with each other, he might be recruiting the Courier to do battle alongside him, against some other enemy.

I want to battle Ulysses and the blackjack table and take all his money

Yeah that's what i would figure that the courier would gather a very small army and battle ageinst Ulysses(What ever he would use) and proabley at the end the courier exucutes(fix me) Ulysses or spares him and rules the Dived for him self.Cammax 02:58, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I want something like this if they fight each other http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0hryrytbO0 epic... Silent 1 01:34, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I was just watching the trailer and pausing it frame by frame and at 1:02 thru 1:04 you can see the courier dressed in a "Ulysses style" outfit with a helmet on swinging what I think might be some sort of makeshift melee weapon like bumper sword at Ulysses who is wielding the flagpole. If you watch it frame by frame you can see that it is Ulysses and when frame 1:03 is fading onto the next frame you can see the flag pole. Of coarse this doesn't prove or mean that its the final battle with Ulysses maybe you fight him when you meet him, dont kill him or he knocks you out or something and then you two have a talk. Who knows...--Mrnotwen 18:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Trooper Gleason?

So, I guess that means the NCR is still active in the region? Or she's the only survivor?

Id put my money on him being the only survivor

E3 Trailer

ED-E is possibly coming to new vegas by the lonesome road seen in the E3 trailer. - July 19, 2011

   Or the U.S. Route 95. In the end of the trailer you can see Mt. Charleston
   on the right side of The Strip.

It also could be I-15 that ED-E is traveling on, considering that, like the user above me noted, Mt. Charleston is seen to the right of the Strip. So, it could mean that ED-E was traveling along U.S. 50 at some point. Although, the fact that the White Legs destroyed all of the bridges crossing the Virgin River makes that highly unlikely. Hedimius Herilius 03:30, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Extra information a la Old World Blues

Old World Blues is out and there are a lot of references to the Divide and Lonesome Road and whatnot. I found that this page is lacking most of them, but, it's protected so I can't do anything about it, not a real tragedy as I can't remember most of them, but, off the top of my head, after you finish Old World Blues, Blind Diode Jefferson makes a crack about the Courier having "one lonesome road" left to travel or something of the sort (awful memory :P) and that seems worthy of a spot in the Behind the Scenes section. Also, for you grammar Nazis, I apologize for the preceding run-on sentence. --Alexms96 06:49, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

What i want to be included- DESERT RANGERS!!!!

The desert rangers were kind of undermined in the main game and dlc of new vegas even though they were said to be some elite group of fighters. Before any of you explode about the unification treaty, i still think that there were some rangers that weren't absorbed into the NCR. frankly, a lot of groups in the game aren't in favor of the NCR taking power, so why would every single desert ranger be okay with that? I want to see a small group of them in lonesome road that fled to the divide to get away from the NCR.

I agree another remanant side gang going on would be rather intresting. I have a hard time seeing something like this going on right now just because what ncr ranger gone desert, would lead this gang? If such a thing existed I highly doubt they'd be powerful enough to survive on their own for awhile, there are to many factions going on as it is. They would have to fight against territory. Have a main base of opperation and a common goal. Right now as i can recall none of this is goin on. Maybe 20 years down the line i could see something like this happening but def. not in this game. Right now in my opinon Desert Rangers are like retired Navy Seals. They work on thier own but would do side jobs or work for someone powerful like mr house or a casino etc... (bodyguard type of work).

Confronting Ulysses

As fun as Fallout games are, you can't deny that they never were very good at creating epic climactic battles. The Master was more fun to defeat with speech or stealth than he was in straight up battle, Frank Horrigan was only hard if you had a sucky character and even then you could sick a dozen turrets on him, Fallout 3 didn't have a real big bad final boss and Lanius only appears in the last moments and is far less intimidating than simple deathclaw encounters.

Now I feel safe in assuming that there'll be an option to fight and kill Ulysses in Lonesome Road and that's kinda worrying. Ulysses' been built up with hints from everything from the collector's edition's swag to every single DLC yet... but really, if he comes at the Courier with nothing but a flagpole... yikes. And if some sort of series of scripted "can't kill him yet" encounters are used, it'd feel pretty cheap and lame. Is he going to keep his sleeve-less coat + flagpole set-up or end up decked-out in an advanced prototype power armor with a US flag paintjob while wielding a tesla flagpole that shoots lightning bolts at you?Dr. Lobotomy 16:19, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure there will be the option to do so, but am I the only one who doesn't want to lay a colossal beat-down on him? I know it's pretty far-off to hope for, but I'd rather take him back to the Mojave as a companion. I don't want to be forced to kill him. (Besides, your concerns are valid - it would be so anticlimactic if Ulysses came at us with a flagpole and we could shoot him down in two seconds.)-- 06:01, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Why does anyone assume he fights with a flag pole? "so says the man with the old world flag upon his back" is a reference to his outfit. not an actual flag. and fighting under the old world flag could simply be under a giant flagpole with a tattered torn america flag. As for fighting i have no bad blood for Ulysses. In my eyes and my couriers eyes he simply refused a job he found too dangerous and decided i was more then capable to handle it myself and he was right. I don't plan on killing Ulysses. But who knows. maybe there will be a battle at the divide even if you and Ulysses make up. There's always the possibility of uniting against another foe. I'd like some options to flesh out my couriers history possibly through dialogue choices.

Dr. J 3:00 pm July 24 , 2011

Because the flagpole texture is in NV's game files, and Ulysses is depicted on his card holding what appears to be a flagpole. As for the delivery job, I think he knew how it would end, and, having a grudge against the Courier for something they did to him in the past (probably having something to do with the "message"), set the Courier up. Whether Ulysses intended for him/her to die, or meant it to be a challenge, remains unseen. (And I would also like to flesh out my Courier's history as well!)-- 19:58, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

It's going to be an aggravating wait just for a release date. I'm almost level 45 so i have to slow down playing because I dont want to earn XP I can't use. I'm hoping that not only can we flesh out our Couriers history a little more. {Even if it's something as little and lame as when in Dragon Age Origins the mage starting story if your an elf another elf asks where your from and you can respond you dont know, denerim, or lothering. but it doesn't change the game} And possibly flesh out if you knew Ulysses more then you remember. After all our courier was shot in the head similar to {Kotor where darth revans memories are erased (wow two bioware references)} Was our courier working for the mob or something before becoming a courier? Did we end up killing Ulysses family because he couldn't pay his debt and later felt so guilty we quit and became a courier? or Maybe we were hired to deliver a bomb or an note about an kidnapped/murdered love on of ulysses and he's got a case of kill the messenger. I mean why does that kidnapping note in the bison steve save itself to your pipboy? it's useless information isn't it?. So many questions that wont be answered Until August at the earliest. And Since Lonesome Road and Old World Blues release dates were originally supposed to be like a week or two apart will there be a chance that they still have only a week or two apart and that we'll get lonesome road sooner then the 19th of august?

Which part of "Courier is a blank slate you fill in" is hard to comprehend? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 07:44, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Uh, not completely blank - no way. The Courier obviously has history with Ulysses. He is not some random guy stalking him/her; his reaction to the Courier's name should be evidence enough that the Courier knew him and had a major impact on him pre-game (considering this is consistently implied in both DM and OWB). The game won't give the Courier as rigid a background as the LW had, but every single Courier will have known Ulysses and will have done something to him to change his life. This is made very clear throughout the game.-- 05:28, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Not really. There's no indication in the Courier's dialogue lines anywhere that he knows who Ulysses is or what he wants with him. That's the point and Chris Avellone said that: Ulysses is stalking the Courier for reasons that are purely his own, not because he has a history with him. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:57, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Really? Can you link me to where he said that?-- 11:11, August 2, 2011 (UTC) Ah, never mind, I found it.-- 11:19, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hell for all we know, Ulysses could be the courier father or something like that.and for all the white people who play the courier's mom could have been white. My point is we cant really judge Ulysses until we play the DLC.(In wich case i'm going to kill him i dot care what he didn't do.)Cammax 03:15, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I want to kill him with out getting my hands dirty. Like, Steralizing Houses chamber with him in it. Or blackmailing ranger Hanon causing him to commit suicide. Or locking Elijah in the Sierra Madre Vault. How about (science 100) Override and fire the warheads from a remote terminal while Ulysses is still on the launch pad? Then after the Lonesome Road ending, theres just a skeleton left of him.-- 12:28, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bad idea. Warheads in LR are most probably and able to wipe out the whole region and more considering how many of them there are. No i doubt that will happen, since the player can return, unless it simply lets you detonate them and you die looping back to you last save after the end scene, like the 2 non cannon endings in dead money (i know dead money has no cannon ending but the ones where you die or work with Elijah)

Fallout 3 character?

I remember an interview with one of the developers in which he said that a character from Fallout 3 would appear in one of Fallout New Vegas' DLC's, no character from FO3 appeared so far, so maybe in Lonesome Road we'll see him/her DannyK92 01:08, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

It was not an interview, it was an old, long debunked rumor. Ausir(talk) <staff/> 01:16, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
The character from FO3 was ED-E. He is possibly from the Capital Wasteland Enclave. I know it seems kind of a small payoff, but that's why some promotional material showed a Protectron Companion, as to not reveal ED-E until the game came out. I'll admit I could be wrong, cause I would love to see Charon or Fawkes in the Mojave somehow. I remember somone saying that there would be someone showing up in the DLC that gamers would not expect to see. That was a different comment, and it could mean Christine or Ulysses, but it would be sweet to see the original Dogmeat or one of his descendants from the NCR in SoCal. There were also rumors of additional DLC that could be released after the obvious 4 (4 slots for snowglobes in the Lucky 38 presidential suite). Those ones are ones that open the possibility of actually visiting the FO1 and FO2 SoCal area, the Capital Wasteland, or maybe the untouchable Midwest area from FOT. Any way they handle it, I am happy with Old World Blues (add-on) (accept for the fact that you can't get rid of the technological crap they implant you with) and I trust them to deliver with Lonesome Road and anything else they put out. Isn't it funny that Lonesome Road is kind of like Lone Wanderer?serose820:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be funny if it was Elliot Tercorien or Sally off the spaceship from Mothership Zeta (add-on). Maybe Paulson or Toshiro Kago? That would be priceless. --- TandyBomb 22:22, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

game already has an ending, why i dont believe that.

for one i heard someone say that cuze the ending tells u things way past the ending but it also questions the ending. and u and Ulysses talks about u end him ending things.

i know it probebly is true that the game ends at the dam but could they just make u able to play after it ended adding nothing except maybe the way to the devide?

There will never, ever, EVER be a Broken Steel for New Vegas. The developers have said this time and time again. And Ulysses probably means "an ending to things" as in, one, he intends to kill you, or two, he intends to confront you over whatever you did to him in the past that made him the way he is. Either way, the Courier is walking away from LR alive. The Dam is the definitive ending. EDIT: Buh, sorry, didn't read the "just the Divide" part. I still don't think they'd do anything post-game, though, even if it were just for LR.-- 06:11, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

My inner tin foil-hat, conspiricy theorist says that Bethesda/Obsidian are full of shit, at least in the fact that they are intentionally misleading gamers for whatever nefarious purpose. However, my rational side says to take that info at face value, as if they lie, players will find out anyways. I personally want endless FNV, but they would need a whole other DLC, Broken Steel style, even though we have audio strings that prove otherwise. --Hammerhead18 00:50, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Linear! WTF!

Are they really gonna make this linear. Really why? I won't get it if it is. If I want linear i'll play CoD. FalloutJoe 01:48, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

they mean linier, like dead money, you complete a quest, instantly get another, and so on untill you get to the end, as apossed to the ussuall, main game aproch, "do it if you want, if you dont go find another quest." --Matsudiro 15:01, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I know. All I am saying is, this why make a massive RPG game then make a complete Linear DLC? I suppose some guys don't care much. I know I would rather have a massive area to explore like Point Lookout or OWB again. Just with new enemies that are equipped to weather the extreme environment and harsh area that they dwell in. Also I thought Dead Money was Great! Just not as great as other DLC so unless this is gonna have some kick ass story based mind blowing twist that reveals that you had a father who was a super Gecko who boned Ulysses mom, who was a mother deathclaw and it spat out you and Ulysses as twins then I will be disappointed. On the same note if my options after OWB are gonna be finish game or play completely linear DLC after my Hours and Hours of collecting the best gear and maxing out my level. Then whats the point? I could just watch someone play it on YouTube for free and say to myself I wouldn't have done that any different, I couldn't have done that any different. Is no one on my side with this? FalloutJoe 04:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Some stories work best when told in a linear fashion. If the story's good enough, I don't mind. And if you're walking down a road, it's hard to get more linear than that. Veazey21 05:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Linear does not necessarily mean without choices to make in the story, it just means that you will constantly be pushed forward.Frantruck 00:49, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


Now I was looking in the charecters section and I saw the name Whitley. Now I dunnoe if any of you guys have noticed but isnt Whitley a member of the Enclave from Adams AFB. Wasnt he the one who experimented with ED-E. It does say Whitley in the logs in ED-E, right? Also did some research and Nellis AFB is part of Area 51 so I was hoping for a Sci- Fi DLC but this sounds ok. Unregistered user - 09:26 - 24 July 2010.

Different spelling. The doctor in LR is WhitELY. Not the WhitLEY mentioned. Unless it is an error on the devs part and they end up being the same person. Whitley is actually *my* last name. You have no idea how often it gets mixed up with the alt spelling and say "WHITE-ly".-- 07:14, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Just because of the EDE upgrades and different names. Whitely is a doctor and whitley is a scientist and engineer for the enclave. Until confirmed they are 2 different people. My money is on Dr whitely being a ghoul from Big MT and one of the people responsible for the Meteorological experiment from the big mt responsible for whiping out Hopeville (as mentioned in OWB)

na yall his name is in the credits and the trophy/anchivment for it is to find all of ED-Es upgrades

were did they get that pic?

you know the one for lonesome road on the top for add ons

Almost Perfect

So what are the chances they'll drop the Almost Perfect perk on us with this DLC and make us regret taking the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. implants early, like Almost Perfect made you regret picking up bobbleheads? Dr. Lobotomy 00:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Wait a sec. So there's gonna be the almost perfect perk? I now regret about the imlants. Anyways I was thinking in satarting a new character this summer so I think I still have time till LR comes out or something. The only SPECIAl I have to 10 is strengh and with the use of perks.

So, is it worth it, or i shouldn't get this perk? (level 45 already)

Gullible, gullible, gullible. No Almost Perfect for you. Lobotomy, don't mess with anon brains, 'k? This is Obsidian we're talking about, so no gamebreakers.
I know I don't have the right user name to say this but it wasn't even trying to mess with anyone's brain! Honest! LOL... Seriously though I just asked that question out of curiosity after OWB came out with those unlockable perks and implants granting bonuses which seem more powerful than their counterparts in the initial game(+2 to strength, "we know you hate cazadors so here's 40% more damage against them and here, you're poison proof too!") Dr. Lobotomy 16:53, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, it might be possible, but there's nothing to suggest that. --Hammerhead18 00:44, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Release date

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1213217-soo-when-is-lonesome-roads-release-date/page__st__40 Jason bergeman post #57,has confirmed Lonsome road will be out in August.Ledgend1221 18:16, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Great! I hope it'll be releases as soon as possible! DannyK92 19:37, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Oh sweet mother of mercy, it's August 1st today. --Captain tweed 15:18, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I made a forum post already to tell everyone. How do I move it to the front page? User: Yugiohtipman34 01:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

As already stated above and on the the main page, that the last expansion is comming out in August for sure. Is the release date going to be posted when the exact date is confirmed ?

Bethesda have said it will not be out this month :( soulreaper290

I think it will come out between September and October.Cammax 02:57, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Appears In Credits

I find it odd that this is included in the base game's credits despite it not being out & my lack of dlc. -- 04:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

A patch added it to the credits, probably.-- 11:10, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Phat loots

Just curious on people's opinon on what can we expect to see in the last and final expansion gear wise?

Personally I love energy weapons so maybe one more in this expansion would be nice maybe a heavy weapon type? I'd like to see a few more melee weapons with some added effects. IMO there are already tons of regular guns so i dont see them adding to many more. What else could they add w/o being redundent. As far as power armor goes I hope a different model or a unique version of power armor or one(s) already made with added effects. I'd also like to see more hats/helms.

Explosives really took a back seat with the DLC added weapons. Out of the small number we got, most were crappy weaker versions of regular weapons, so this really needs to be remedied with Lonesome Road. There's already enough energy weapons. Guns, maybe let us get a version of Lily's silenced Assault Carbine and, I don't know, bring back the good old Citykiller combat shotgun, load it with 20 gauge for whatever reason, just so we can get some 3 shell burst of buckshot. Melee: Two words, unique chainsaw. For armor, I like the idea of upgrading or crafting armor so stuff like the Hardened Power Armor and similar things could be nice. Dr. Lobotomy 17:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Not that I expect this but an armor that reduced falling damage would be cool.Frantruck 00:54, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I dont want another bunch of low hp crap that we saw in old world blues which breaks after a few rounds. --i shot the sherrif... but i was out of ammo when i got to the deputy.... 14:40, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

In the trailer there was a bowie knife of some sort in someone's face so I think that means new throwing weapons, hopefully higher damage and more common. LouisianaBob 20:46, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

A lab hidden in the Divide?

I wonder if we get to visit some kind of lab or research complex like the ones in the Big MT. The facility would not be the focus of the DLC of course, but rather the source of the storms and earthquakes that take place within the Divide. It would be a place the player might come across during the exploration of the region.

Perhaps the two doctors mentioned were two scientists from the Big MT who worked there at the time, and somehow became trapped when the experiment went wrong and the Divide was created.

yeah, I did read that the Divide was caused by Big MT.Cammax 02:56, August 23, 2011 (U

That idea about two doctors being trapped does not sound completely unrealistic, since something similar was planned for van buren.(AGRICOLA lab scientists) And Obsidian said they incorporated some elements of Van Buren into F:NV.-- 19:31, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Page bleakness

the page needs more info, we had lots information on OWB over a month before it came out, why so little info on this one if its being released this month

Probably because OWB was delayed so long because of the extensive patch they were making. They released a healthy amount of information and such to keep fans tided over, I imagine. Or maybe they purposefully want us going into Lonesome Road flying blind to heighten the thrill. Either way, if they are going to announce anything, it will probably be on Tuesday or around there.

Interesting theory

Dead Money focuses on using melee weapons due to the scarcity of ammunition and the nature of the ghost people (must be eviscerated in order to die)

honest hearts focuses on guns. tribals and old tech. also lack of technology makes energy weapons scarce

old world blues focuses on energy weapons due to high tech levels and hence plenty of energy weapons all round

so what will lonesome road focus on?

Forgot to sign your post and I know the protonic inversal axe was my best friend in OWB and I barely made use of the energy weapons (mostly because I didn't want to kill myself with meltdown :D).Frantruck 00:58, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it will focus on unarmed and the courier and Ulysses can have a knock down drag out fist fight to settle the score. Zac hemker 07:11, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I bet that this DLC will focus on Explosives weaponry since I think it was Cass saying that in the Divide they had to use dynamite to clear out rubble made from the storms but I could be wrong. Time will tell.

The Ciphers

Does anyone think that the new triibe that ulyssess could re awaken america with is the ciphers as they havent been in any other DLC's but they were in the things to come challenge

I don't see how, the Divide is a disaster zone why would a significant faction be there? Plus considering that "reawakening America" is something basically greater than even all the player characters of any Fallout game has accomplished, I really doubt anything like that will happen or even come close to being triggered in a simple DLC pack. Ulysses is delusional, plain and simple. I'll be glad to blow his head off when given the chance... probably with 9mm Maria since those two bullets to the head were meant for him. Dr. Lobotomy 19:21, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha. Killing Ulysses with Maria? Poetic justice. --FeralGrant 00:11, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why you people want Ulysses dead so bad... What evil has he committed? Sure he almost got the courier killed, but maybe the courier deserved what he got. You don't know until the DLC comes up. Marcus is a boi 04:07, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ulysses somehow knew the job was nigh suicide and when he saw the Courier's name he let him/her take it, instead of being a man and, I don't know, waiting for the courier to show up and settle the score then, he intended to let Benny do his dirty work. So he's a coward and a failure. Dr. Lobotomy 04:54, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Bullshit. You don't know the facts, so don't make assumptions. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 06:31, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Isn't making assumptions the whole point of playing the game? I'll be killing Ulysses because I think he's a delusional coward who got my PC shot in the head, others will be killing him because they assume they'll get his gear by looting his smoking carcass and some players will want him to live regardless of what happens. No reason to swoop in, call bullshit and tell people to basically shut up. Dr. Lobotomy 17:37, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Shut up Dr.Lobotomy. Everything you say is stupid.-- 00:58, August 10, 2011 (UTC)Really, shut up
Not sure I agree that Ulysses knew anything about what was going to happen. The fact that he was there to take the job in the first place, and then only deferred to you when he saw your name on the list, seems to rule that out in my opinion. In other words, if your name hadn't been on the list he might have (likely would have IMO) taken the job himself. Perhaps he only passed on the job, when seeing your name, because he knew you (by reputation?) and knew you would finish the job at any cost.
But your argument also makes the details of the job itself irrelevant. Would Ulysses still have deferred the job to the Courier if the task had been to deliver core region Vault jumpsuits to Sarah Weintraub or repair parts for the camp McCarran mess hall instead of the Platinum Chip to Houses' securitron agents? What would have been the point of him deferring then? He had to have advance knowledge or at the very least strong indications that the Platinum Chip(and 5 other "decoy" runs, judging by Daniel Wyand corpse in Primm) was targeted and that an ambush was very likely. Dr. Lobotomy 19:38, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
You do have a point, but here's my take on it. As I think has been evidenced in the game so far, Ulysses is interested in nation building. He's worked for the Legion, I'm sure he's familiar with the NCR, he's even gone so far as to take a look at the BoS. In his opinion, all fail the test (I'm not sure what his criteria are but that's beside the point). In my previous arguement I wasn't suggesting he didn't know what House was up to. House is just another kind of nation builder and Ulysses was once again investigating. What I was saying is that I don't think Ulysses had any idea what Benny was up to. After all, do you really show up for the job interview knowing that getting hired means getting shot in the head?
I certainly wouldn't, but for Ulysses this would suppose that the man is of relatively sound mind and rationality. This has hardly been demonstrated, quite the opposite starting with all that is known of his grandiose "quest" concerning the old world and his "scheming" which involves planning a meeting with the courier in the Divide (in dialogue with Christine Royce) but then, knowing exactly where the courier would be(Mojave Express, picking up the package), he instead arranges things so the Courier takes a seemingly completely unrelated job which could easily have completely derailed his whole plan for a meeting if the courier had just died from the two bullets or the Deathclaw infestation of the Quarry or the Powder gangers or the Fiends-whatever or even House if he had decided to eliminate the Courier instead of using him/her. So either Ulysses knew something or he's so delusional that his plan was right on the money for the events that followed, in the same sense that a broken clock is right twice a day Dr. Lobotomy 00:41, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
Or... all things being equal... the simple answer is he assumed we (The Courier) would complete the task easily and it would occupy us while he put the final touches on together his plan to meet at The Divide. I don't really see any evidence of Ulysses not being sane. In fact he seems to be quite calculating. EDIT: Had to strike the finishing touches part. Let's not forget that there was no plan prior to his seeing our name on the list. I can't quote it (conversation with Johnson Nash I believe), but I've always had the distinct impression Ulysses was surprised to see The Courier's name on the list.

i just need to say two things here, first of all, concerning the snaity of ulysses, everyone in the wasteland is insane, and also heres a quote i like, though i dont know who said it, "evil people are people too"

Im defiantly not gonna kill Ulysses unless hes gone bat-shit crazy or something I think he didn't do it beccause he was not the one to decide the fate of Nevada. If he was afraid he would've just read the title and said n, but instead he read the PC name and turned it down. He wishes to REVIVE AMERICA not even the Enclave dreamed of reviving America they just created a NEW America. Mr. House is a business man without a care for human lives. Ulysses, however will bring our people to glory too much was lost with the great war i will side with Ulysses the Restorer and lead humanity to greatness -   ◙ ╟ ◙

Maybe Ulysses knew (somehow) only the PC could survive the attack. However as for reviving the "Greatest country in the world"(?) he is trying to learn how America failed in the old world and how the nuclear war started, thats why he went to the think tank. He wants to make a new america but possibly for the wrong reason, prehaps using the divides warheads to wipe out the NCR and Ceasers Legion and create as he said before in his recordings create a new East and West.

ED-E coming from the Divide?

There is an achievement that says to find all upgrades for ED-E so that means that ED-E passed through there also does that mean we can get a companion with us?

Veronica can get an upgrade perk from Dead Money and Rex gets a "girlfriend" from Old World Blues yet they didn't get to come along the DLC areas. But it is weird that they're both giving upgrades and an achievement/trophy for something that you could so easily screw up by playing on Hardcore and letting ED-E die(ED-E is after all the first companion most players encounter by following the main quest line). Unless they give the achievement/trophy simply for finding the holotapes, parts, schematics or whatever the upgrade's form will be and not for actually installing them on ED-E. Dr. Lobotomy 17:58, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well the achivement is for collecting all of ED-E's upgrades. You probably don't need ED-E with you to retrieve the upgrades just use them.--LordVukodlak 05:24, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah you probaley collect them and give them to EDE that would ruin the purpose of lonsome.Cammax 08:45, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Since EDE is a robot it could be easily "revived" story wise.

There is a new ED-E. With an arc welder for weapon a various utilities incorporated.

Gun Runners Caravan?

What will the caravan have to do with lonesome road as its J.E. Sawyers Twitter Location could you travel to the didvide with them?

It looks like that will be the starting point but nothing is certain yet. KiwiBird 19:15, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

I see this as a good thing!

Well, since they just released the achievements, there is a good chance that the dlc will be out soon! I would estimate a week to 2 weeks away. It could be worse, i just pre ordered the old republic and then i realised hat there isnt a release date yet.

No, just been announced on the the Bethesda that there will be further delay and that it won't be out in august. Fans are not happy, specially since an earlier post from Bergman I think called the fans "paranoid" and assured there will be no further delay like there was for OWB.


What does fallout need......dualwield guns i'd really like to see doblewield guns or uzi.

I was just thinking about dual wielding revolvers... It would go perfectly with my playing style.--OmnipotentPotato 07:09, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

in fallout: broterhood of steel, for original xbox you can dual wield,( go incomplete thoughts!)

I know about that i have the game. Im talking abou real fallout games not that lame version.

I remember reading that dual-wielding was impossible on the engine. Also, imo it's just dumb. Berychance 23:30, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sure it's dumb, accuracy goes out the window, reloading mid firefight is a pain and most people trained in handling firearms would tell you not to do it. But this is the post-apocalypse where in many places you have to be seriously dumb just to take a step outside. Plus, it just feels good to turn a corner and open up guns akimbo. Dr. Lobotomy 01:47, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

We must wait for Falout 4 then, with the creation engine.Frantruck 01:15, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Double the gun double the Fun! Shadownet 17:00, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

The Divide weapon

What do guys think the Divide weapon mentioned in the achievements could do... --Ilya-108 16:41, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

I think its a type of missile launcher TD Ghost 17:32, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

According to the name and the description i think its a signiture gun (A gun that fire a red flare to give a signal)

Heh, its Rocket's Red Glare, not 'Red Flare' TD Ghost 01:55, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'd go out on a limb and say it's some form of rocket-launcher. Possibly one that trades direct firepower for firerate. Berychance 23:32, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

could be a m202 flash or a knock off of it--Corporal grif 03:32, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

A .50 Machine Gun! In somewhat related thoughts, I would love for there to be another BB gun that is actually good.

Maybe it's a gun called "The Divide", and it splits whatever it's aimed at in two, including the Earth itself MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. SnoopingasusualIsee 00:51, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts are its a rocket launcher with firing ability close to that of a grenade minigun. --Mat mod 01:07, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Brotherhood of Steel in the Divide?

Correct me if I'm wrong - didn't the BoS fleet get smashed in the Divide?..If so anyone think there maybe some BoS left alive?.

Metro Tunnel Rat 17:31, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

No the Brotherhood airships got destroyed over the Chicago area KiwiBird 11:10, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

The main airship was damaged while they were over a mountain range, the other sections managed to stay aloft and crash-landed near Chicago. Also consider that they were chasing the mutants, which are encountered well west of Chicago, it makes more sense that the accident over the mountains caused them to overshoot their destination whereas Latham who went down with the main airship was discovered by the mutants.--OvaltinePatrol 07:59, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

The developers could always make up a story about a virtibird that managed to land or something similar. But i dont think there will be any Bos in the DLC

Divide Dwellers

Thought about this the other day. What if there was an unnamed vault in what is now the divide? This would go with the canon definition of "Dweller" in the Fallout Universe. Any thoughts on this? KiwiBird 21:44, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think the dwellers are a bunch of prostpecter or a civilition of people that live in the ruins of the Divide.Cammax 08:42, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah thats possible it's going to be interesting to see where these people come from. KiwiBird 21:12, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

The ghoulified remnants of Hopeville? And maybe some of the survivors from the divide event, (this seems to be confirmed by the presence of trooper Gleason) and hopefully some of the survivors of the Brotherhood of steels airship crash so i can get some sweet MidWestern power armour but im not banking on it since BOS already had a spotlight in both OWB and

I'd like to see a vault appear in lonesome road, but knowing there's earthquakes in the area i'll say that if we can explore one, some of it will be cut off because of them. --Mat mod 01:04, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

The Platinum Chip

Does anyone suppose Ulysses will be interested in whether or not the Courier still has the Platinum Chip? If so, maybe it could be linked to a special ending/resolution? I imagine his interactions with the Courier might differ if he realizes the chip wasn't or hasn't yet been delivered or used.

Title Design?

This may have already been talked over, but most New Vegas DLC pages have the symbol for the DLC next to the link (EG. on Traits, the new OWB traits have the title of the DLC next to them.) Now, these are all the official titles design, like the fancy writing for Honest Hearts. However, on the Wild Wasteland page, I noticed at the top right, there is a small box showing that it relates to ALL DLC. Up in that corner is the titles for all the DLCs, including Lonesome Road. It's written like a motel-ish logo, with single cards for all the letters. I was wondering where this came from, is it official, and if so, where can I find proof it is? OldWorldToasters 14:29, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I've also wanted to know where this came from. Can someone please tell us? User: Yugiohtipman34 05:14, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Bozar in LR?

-J.E. Sawyer changed his twitter picture to a bozar -In one of the news articles he mentioned something about the big guns skill in Fallout 1&2 and how its changed in NV -Chris Avellone said LR has the best guns of all DLC's -The Achievment for the upgraded gun -The gun was very popular in Fallout 2 and i see a lot of forum topics on the bethesda forum Anyone else thinks it might return? As second 50 cal weapon?

answer:well not in lonsome road but maybe you already found out that there will be a bozar the new announced dlc:Gun Runners stash and will come out on september 27e


All the DLC's exept for Old World Blues (add-on) had compainions and utill about 3 minutes ago I didn't think that Lonesome Road would have any eighter (because that wouldnt be soo lonesome) but I was reading Patient log Y-17.9 and saw that Ulysses said "Make them walk the road west, straight and true, sink their feet in Old World ash. Let storms tear at them. Am I right or am I wrong, what do you guys think?

This was more than likely because they didn't want to make multiple lines for male and female, so they just used the term that could refer to either. --With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' You will know the truth... And the truth will set you free.. 02:49, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

When they talk about about Lonesome in Lonesome road, they talk about the road you take to get there. You know your alone. And also you do get a companion in Old World Blues, its Roxie. I also wonder if you really walk the road to the DLC.Cammax 02:55, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

After Dead Money?

When did anyone say that Dead Money had to be compleated prior to Lonesome Road?

Lonesome Road Must Be a Big Add-On

Well i was wondering if this a huge part in fallout's hystory(fix me there) If anybody ever noticed that Lonesome road is mentioned in every DLC. And is also mentioned on part of the main game. For example the dude who runs the mojave express mentions Ulysses(sorta) and the entrance to the DLC. Even though every DLC entrance. So I do think Lonesome road is going to be a big thing.Cammax 02:55, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

What Changes Do You Guys Think Will Happen To The Mojave?

New Vegas producer Jason Bergman dropped a couple of tidbits about Lonesome Road in a recent interview.

His thoughts on the separate DLCs:

" Personally, I enjoy them all. I think Honest Hearts has the best environment, Lonesome Road the best weapons, Dead Money the most intense gameplay, and Old World Blues the best characters. And the perks and weapons all carry over to the main game (not to mention the increased level cap), which is cool. Also, there’s a decision in Lonesome Road that affects part of the Mojave wasteland when you’re done with the quest. That’s really fun to play with. "-- 18:18, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

I want new casinos and shops added to freeside and the strip while im gone at the divide. Or have that whole left side of the map open up with new and interesting locations. -- 10:27, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

A new faction Possibly who come and support your main one at the second battle of HD? Or maybe you make or break some towns or small indie locations -- 19:00, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

we have a release date, september 20th

http://www.bethblog.com/index.php/2011/08/25/lonesome-road-coming-september-20th-couriers-stash-and-gun-runners-arsenal-one-week-later/comment-page-1/#comment-205860 --DannyK92 13:34, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hometown Hero

The name of this achievment makes me think that the courier comes from someplace here. I mean, the courier lived there, then he accidentaly activated something in the Big MT outpost that caused the storms and that shit to happen, and then fleed to the mojave.-- 13:51, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Dude. No. The Courier has a blank slate. I really wish people would understand that! The Milkman 14:44, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

uhh, nope. nobody is a blank slate. everyone has a history.-- 21:17, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

uhh, yep. The Courier as a PC was designed this way, similar to the PC in Oblivion and unlike the PC in FO3. The Courier is designed to be a "blank slate" in that the game is ONLY concerned with his or her story from the Mojave Express onward. -- I don't know how to sign this correctly.

But, if The Courier really were a blank slate, then how could he/she recognize bruce isaac?-- 21:03, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

The beauty of having the "blank slate" is that if wanted to be from The Divide, then you could.--OmnipotentPotato 04:54, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Recently i have read quite a few things about the devs hinting at Lonesome Road having something to do with the Courier's past so i may be right on this one.-- 23:22, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Somebody needs a better argument that the courier isn't from the divide because why would the achievement be called hometown hero. c'mon its not that hard to see that he/she is from this place. --Mat mod 22:48, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


Beth put it on there blog today:


The Courier’s journey ends this September.

Bethesda's blog has the news that Lonesome Road will be available for purchase on 20 September 2011.

I hope they don't expect everyone to flock to the DLC now... Very poor choice for the date considering RE4 and Gears 3 will be out that day. Marcus is a boi 03:53, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

I've never been a gears fan, hell it could be gears 23.5 and i wouldn't play it. So september 20th means only one thing to me. --Mat mod 00:50, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Warhead hunter

i think that the acheivment warhead hunter and the changes to the mojave are linked as ulysses was standing in front of a warheadin the pic on his page and i was wondering what if he directed them at the mojave wasteland

I want to blow up the new vegas strip just like the brotherhood citadel and megaton-- 10:20, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I sincerely doubt they'd let you destroy the city that the game is named after. Especially since anyone who does Lonesome Road before any of the main quest missions would kill off Mr. House, Benny, Ambassador Crockett, and a whole slew of other characters. Then they'd have to come up with a way for Yes-Man to survive the nuclear(or whatever) assault.--SenorNuevoVegas 05:49, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

old abandoned military base possibly

now we have seen in a picture that there is a nuclear silo in lonesome roads which means that there is obviously a military base close by so what im wondering is what military base is it--Corporal grif 22:55, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
It's been established that there are nuclear silos around the Divide, but there is no implication of a military base, sorry:/ Would be nice to have some old school shoot-n-loot of a military base like Sierra or Mariposa, though. --Hammerhead18

WELL, i'm not sure about your definition of a military base, but i'm sure a place where you can launch nukes is definitely a military base and not a civilian hands-on friendly meet and greet center. SO with that in mind, yeah there's military installations dotted in presumably safe locations in the divide. --Mat mod 00:47, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

how do you know what new weapons/characters/etc..are coming out for this??

Ok, for all the dlc's released for NV, like a month before people start posting what new weapons and armor and characters and achievements/trophies that will be in it, but HOW did whoever created the page/topic get all the information?? the only thing i can guess is that its on some secret website or something that i'm unaware of... HELP!?? --DrunkenSushi 10:44, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Achievements are on Steam, Characters were added to credits with a previous patch, some stuff was gathered from screen shots, and anything story wise has been gathered from previous DLC and a bit in the base game with a little speculation for flavor.Frantruck 03:16, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

New Perks/Traits?

Ok, i know i just posted the topic above but i felt this should be separate:
Anyone have insight on any of the new Perks that will be included (or Traits)?? --DrunkenSushi 10:46, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Perks? yeah there could be more perks even though by this point if you've played through all the dlc's you are essentially a walking death machine. I guess there could be but they wont be known until you play the dlc which will be in like 30 hours minimum from right now. --Mat mod 00:42, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Badly planned release date?

Is it just me, or am I the only one thinking that the 20th of September is a wrong date to pick? Seeing as Gears of War 3 is releasing the same date, it's probably kinda going to be neglected?

Any fan of Fallout and Gears of War is likely going to buy both of them. And even if they don't, no one is forcing people to buy the DLC (or Gears of War) on the exact day it's released.

exactly i want to find out what happens to both carmine and ulysses lol....let carmine live (and i he does) and ulysses as either a companion, but if not i will just beat him to death with my rolling pin of justice--John117Price 14:49, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think why they delayed it? Because I think they need more time to work on it. I talking about carrying all your stuff from Dead Money, Honest Hearts, Old World Blues, and The Couriers Stash.

Lone wounder

Guys anyone care to look east look at lone wounderer and lonesome road anyone care to ask what about lone wounder what if he was Lone wounder heres why i think that because 4 year diffrence I am pretty sure that Lone wounder could apear come on whos a bad ass we know of from old Fallout that comes around turns out to be still alive so i am thinking ulysss is lone wounder not to mention the Name

No.Frantruck 00:43, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I...don't understand what point you're trying to get across, or information you're attempting to pass. This just confuses me.--OmnipotentPotato 01:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

your world frieghtens and confuses me- frozen caveman lawyer --John117Price 14:46, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok since fallout they never repeatedly shown characters so player discresion is kept, in Vault dwellers Memoir pat was a name which is Unisex so not to disclose gender (though VD was a male charcter in F:BOS that game was a failure so who gives a shit), when the chosen one is mentioned (usually as a tribal in Fnv) no gender is disclosed either. Lone wanderer has to be kept the same so player choice is conserved, though cannon would suggest they are usually good Karma but thats is good for the story. Now no wanderer for this DLC. It would make no sense at all to do that. As for the "Ulysses is lone wanderer bit" no that is terrible. Ulysses is a courier who has a historty which is DEFINETLY NOT THE LONE WANDERER!. And that history is also definetly not working with the Brotherhood of steel to save the capital wasteland from the Enclave. Consider this NO!!!!!! -- 19:13, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Topic creator: If you actually speak like the way you wrote, seek medical help immediately!--DrunkenSushi 06:00, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Dear OP, I can't tell if you're retarded or poorly trolling. Both ways, just remember, Etiam imperdiet possidebunt mundo... stultorum peribunt. Hammerhead18 00:31, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Im pretty sure I know the ending

know how someone involved with the DLC said something like "The dicisions  make will affect part of the Mojave"? Well, seeing as how there are nukes, I bet you can let Ulysses nuke  or fight him and prevent him from blowing shit up. If you do let him blow it up, then theres the part of the Mojave thats been changed according to your actions. 

Power Bonkers 01:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

no you wouldnt be able to nuke to new vegas because it is intergal to the story and quests and you would prolly fail evry major quest if you did so and that would require massive amounts of change to the game and a dlc cannot really do that to a game like new vegas...it was a nice theory though and you are correct in him prolly nuking somewhere but it cant be new vegas--John117Price 14:45, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Remember how dead money ended when you side with elijah? yeah...it could be possible.

i know that but you cant destroy new vegas if you destroy new vegas u basically end the game...and this ending will most likely wont have an ending similar to dead money...sure it is linear like dead money but that doesnt mean that it will have the same plot...will there be change in the mojave?: yes but most likey people from the divide could make a settlement in the mojave or you could have ulysses as a companion that kind of change....not "megatoning" the most important area in the entire game--John117Price 15:38, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

But you could nuke like Forelorn Hope or the Fort or something. Maybe not even that, maybe you nuke like Crescent Canyon. I just think the nukes will be the device that will change the Mojave. Power Bonkers 21:33, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

ha maybe that but why would you nuke an already radiation ravaged area already...if anything you would prolly nuke nipton or anyother practically abandoned area--John117Price 14:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

It would be cool if you could nuke Hoover Dam, for an completely alternate ending.-- 09:30, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


There's an achievement about detonating warheads in the divide, but as for Nuking the vegas strip, ill have to shoot you down on that call.Place is like T.H.E center location for the game, not to mention we can gamble there (screw the vikki and vance casino, never played there.) Anyway let me list reasons why the strip will be not an option to be nuked....

1. There's too many quests there. I will say that the citadel was able to be bombed at the end of broken steel, but in order to do that all quests of that location were done by this point.

2. It's a main attraction of the game (who wants to roam around a desert with a nuclear hole in the middle)

3. It's the location OF YOUR HOUSE.

If you do have the option to target the strip it will either not on the targets list, or it will be on the targets list with an 'out of range' message with it. As for other places in the Mojave where would you nuke,why would you have a reason to????? seriously even the possibility of nuking megaton was kinda already set up, and totally ridiculous. And so the only notable place would be the dam, which isn't gonna happen because it would defeat the purpose of the whole story. --Mat mod 00:31, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I never meant New Vegas when I said New Vegas, my bad, I meant the Mojave, but still I was right! IM SOOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL!!!!!!!! Power Bonkers 22:40, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

ralphie (ed-e)?and enclave in the divide

On one wall of the facility, there is a faded poster that seems to be for a movie or a book, entitled "Ralphie, The Robot's Incredible Odyssey!" It shows an eyebot similar but not identical to ED-E between the upper bodies of a hawk-nosed military man and a civilian, possibly a woman. The same poster appears in the bedroom in The Sink.-does anyone else think that 'ralphie' might be ed-e because the poster is found next to the hopeville map,and ed-e upgrades are in the divide(hopeville)and i know it sounds far fetched but also they used the word 'odyssy'(used on posidon energy posters)which might be trying to sugest the enclave are in the divide,this is backed up by the fact ed-e was made by the enclave-also as can seeon the poster the eyebot (ralphie)is travelling down a road.

Good call, son, no one else noticed that!Power Bonkers 21:18, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

yes....yes..yes!...maybe ede is ralphie!!!! but who knows you have an excellent point there and maybe that will tie in with getting parts for ede...thank you for bringing that up--John117Price 14:36, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

No that can't be possible because ED-E was made about 200 years after that poster was and he was created at adams air force base in the capital wasteland, it is possible there is enclave forces in the divide with duraframe eyebot technology to upgrade him but ralphie isn't ED-E.

No enclave will be in the divide.... the devices yeah sure, they could be around. But those guys are long gone. --Mat mod 00:36, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Lack of Characters?

I think there is a reason its called lonesome road

Seeing as everyone who goes to the Divide tends to well...die. ~Wyrmalla^^

There is characters to be seen and dealt with, there's an achievement about what you decide to do about them. So in a nutshell, there's characters, even in this hellhole. --Mat mod 00:01, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

ideal story-

does anyone else want the enclave to appear?i do because i dont want some shit story involving 'aliens' i want something with a deep story,exploration and characters who have an actual backround worth caring about,so tell me what want this final add-on to be like?......post below:D

        I either want a big group of enclave that are my buds, or BOS that are my buds. all this lack of the two groups is slowly killing me on the inside

really hope it extends past endgame too bad...stupid saying no dlc would, was good chunk of the reason i wanted broken steel for fo3

As much as some would like to see the enclave, the only ones left are those old remnants you get a chance to reunite. As for tech by the enclave, yeah there could be some things to be seen but not people. --Mat mod 00:05, September 19, 2011 (UTC)


That's what I think of Fallout DLCs. :D

Anyway... I was thinking.... Is anything going to happen to Wolfhorn Ranch? Cause isn't that where Ulysses came from? I read something about that on the location page. I was just curious as to why there would be a special emphasis on this place if Ulysses wasn't going to have anything to do with it.

In addition... (further speculating about the ties between Ulysses and the Courier), there is a grave which has a special place atop a hill near the ranch. OMG POSSIBLE PAST TURMOIL FOR CHARACTERS!!!! Nah, I don't know, but I'm so looking forward to this DLC!!!

I'm thinking that Ulysses will fill in the blanks about the ranch and some other places he's been that we can go to and see before we meet him, and we will then upon coming back from the divide be able to recognize what happened at these points of interest. --Mat mod 00:14, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

trailer released,divide vault and nukes!

as most probably know by now an official trailer has been released,and judging by the look of it it wont have the humour OWB had but more of a sad deprresing feel.hopefully its characters and story will live up to the expectations!but i have noticed at 1:11 in the trailer a nuke going off in what seems to be the mojave,and also just after the dead sentry bot ypo will see a dead guy on what looks like an overseers desk-vault in the divide?comment what you think,and also on what you have seen in the trailer which might be a clue to the story:D

So the place had a desk like the ones in the vault, anything else? No it just so happens somebody wanted a fancy desk to sit at. Not a vault, at least not this place in the trailer your speaking of. --Mat mod 23:59, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Completing it before the other DLCs

I know it's not even out yet but surely they must have planned for the scenario where people will complete Lonesome Road before the other DLCs; people not buying all of them and whatnot.

I mean in all the other DLCs the ends make it seem like the Courier did the events of , and Old World Blues before going to the Divide, but how would that work if the player plays Lonesome Road first?

It almost makes me think that the end of Lonesome Road will be kind of left open ended with no real conclusion to the Courier's and Ulysses' story. Unless they fitted in some bonus for everyone who paid for all the DLCs and had programmed a check to see if DM,HH and OWB were completed to make a 'better' ending to the whole thing. But I know they won't do that. Nimbus Recanto 01:38, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

I kinda doubt it. can play through Old World Blues and then play Dead Money and doesn't change anything, despite the fact you should know everything about Christine, Elijah and the Sierra Madre. Plus, people would be really angry if they left it open ended. 01:59, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Here, Here. The best order to play the DLC is Honest Hearts, Dead Money, Old World Blues, Lonesomes Road. Its basically process of elimination in my eyes. HH has the least to do with Ulysses plus its easy to complete at lower level. DM next and like the guy above me said, you dont take any knowlegde from OWB about Elijah and Christine into DM. If you do OWB first, your character acts like hes never heard of Elijah or Big MT when talking everyone in DM. Also at the end of OWB, Jarvis says the courier only had one more road to walk, meaning LR. Doing them in that order also takes you across the whole map clockwise without back tracking. And start them BEFORE you side with any one faction. I cant wait to have every weapon and apperal from all the dlc's before barely starting the main story line.--Robandbig 12:17, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

In this DLC it seems the courier already knows things we don't and cant know until we get there. It's kinda like the fact the apparently the courier saw some guy preform in New Reno awhile back, but we didn't know that until we talked with him, my apologies as i dont know his name but hes part of the Talent Pool quest. --Mat mod 00:09, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Bruce Isaac--The.true.samiam 00:44, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Nuke the Divide or the Mojave

The last part of the trailer looks like it hints at the possiblity of the the nukes in the Divide being used on locations in the Mojave. Did any one else notice that?

The trailer shows a U.S missle being launched which could or could not happen depending on your choice, but as for where, could be anywhere. hell it could be novac for all we know. --Mat mod 23:54, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Am I the only one seeing this?

I distinctly see a breathing apparatus in several pictures. --Delta1138 SnooPING AS usual I see 20:28, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

yes, its a mask you might need because the air might be dangerous in some areas. By the looks of it, i could be right. definitely not for water, but air. --Mat mod 23:44, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Legion at the Divide?

I saw crucifixions... also why does the "Doomed to Repeat It" achievement have a Roman looking Vault Boy for a picture?--OmnipotentPotato 18:42, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

If I remember right, I'm pretty sure the Legion has/had maintained a presence in the Divide. The fact that those bloodmen have armour with legion shoulder pads supports this. William Sims 20:26, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Just a hunch but i think doomed to repeat 'it' (it meaning 'history') means you could make the divide get nuked again, or perhaps a storm. --Mat mod 23:49, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Armored Vault 21 Jumpsuit?

Could anybody see if the Armored Vault 21 jumpsuit seen in the trailer is included in the download, at long last? I know that it was cut before, but, like with other items before it, it could be restored. --Hammerhead18 00:56, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

The Armored Vault 21 Jumpuit will NOT appear in lonesome road that has been made clear it is shown for promotional purposes only.

They bring up our hopes, only to dash them. The Milkman 13:02, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Custom "Courier's Armor?

In the trailer, when The Courier and Ulysses are fighting, The Courier appears to be wearing some kind of Ranger Armor. But, when he attacks, his upper body turns and reveals that he has the same kind of design that Ulysses has on the back of his armor, and it's not ranger armor at all. Could this mean that there is a seperate, custom armor for the courier, based on what faction the courier is with? That would make sense, putting the concept art of factions for Ulysses in to play. Just my thoughts. CptSprinkles5 16:48, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

When The courier is fighting Ulysses in the trailer clip he is wearing a ranger helmet, but the armor is the same one Ulysses is wearing. There is an upgraded ranger suit set to appear, its in the trailer. how'd ya miss it?, its at 0:47. --Mat mod 23:40, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Maybe I worded this wrong. I meant that can take the ranger armor, and customize it depending on your faction. (NCR, Legion, or Ulysses symbol) It just looked like it with the helmet. Then I saw that it was just the same kind of armor that Ulysses was wearing, and i was to lazy to go back and retype it. I was saying that can get custom "Courier's Armor" like Ulysses' armor, depending on your faction, which would bring the other textures in to play. This probably makes no sense, but hopefully get the idea. Also, I changed the topic title to show this. CptSprinkles5 00:44, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

AH i know what your talking about now, but it looks like the different backed faction armor is what ulysses will wear maybe if you convince him to support them. as for getting it, i suppose that would require killing him for it. Or maybe reverse pickpocketing it off him. --Mat mod 00:55, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

But with 2 outfits, you might be able to get your own, based on your choice. The way I see it, Ulysses is a selfish man with two goals: Killing you, and reshaping the world in the form of The Old World, hence the nukes. I don't think that there's gonna be an option to persuade him to one faction or the other. You are going to have to kill Ulysses, probably, with no way around it. He did say there was going to be an ending to things. And after he's out of the way, the nukes (and his "Old World Flag" outfit) are yours. Then you will be given the choice to nuke NCR, Legion, or both, and be given a custom outfit based on that choice. Just my thoughts. CptSprinkles5 01:05, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Quite a theory there, i've seen no reason yet why he would wish to kill you, it could well be something that happened before the start of new vegas, but not sure. when he says there will be an ending to things i'm gonna say it could be good or bad. even though in the trailer it shows the courier fighting ulysses, i'd say that you can either fight him or not. i'll also say it looks like he could either need your help or want to kill you. he doesn't sound very hostile in the trailer, and have you noticed the way he words things can be deceiving or sound different. As for the nukes, they are there and he has been thinking about how to or whether to use them at all. What do you think? --Mat mod 01:18, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

To add my opinion to the statement above, ulysses is most certainly not selfish. he is a man who can see that the wasteland is a corrupt place that is no different from the world that made it what it is now. he wants to reshape the world into something that doesnt need the weapons that he is using to accomplish his goals

Back to the outfit. What is everyone's opinion on how it will play out with the different textures? Like I said before, you will probably get your own custom outfit based on your faction. Such as if you say you're fighting for the NCR, you will get an outfit with NCR flag. I just want to be able to get the Old World AND the NCR one. With multiple outfits and 2 main characters, it would only make sense for a Courier's Outfit, bearing his flag, and Ulysses' Outfit, bearing his. Thoughts please. CptSprinkles5 01:57, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

The big picture

The whole DLC is centered around a big idea, but man if they don't keep guessing, because really have to look for clues and messages to get even a sense of what its about. My only good guess is that Ulysses has been around looking for ideals on what made the old world successful and how to make it so again. But it appears he has been in the divide before he went on his journey, so maybe he figured out what he needed and made his way back. One big question remains... what could he need the courier for? he seems quite competent on his own, and i don't think it has something to do with the platinum chip, (hell i say it was over-used in the main story). So hes there in the divide waiting for you to come home (hey i say it is because of the achievement 'hometown hero') and he wants you to help him finish what he started. Maybe he'll ask YOU about what faction you've aligned with. But the mystery is what the center focus is, and what his intentions are, which will likely end up being something that can be seen as good or bad depending on the player. --Mat mod 23:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

He's travelled across America from society to society looking for an ideal to put his backing to. He ended up finding the new socities wanting, and ultimately seeks the Courier, apparently an integral person in his life, to make the ultimate decision on what to do with the new world, either back one of the socities, or make a clean slate with the nukes (or just nuking that factions biggest enemies). I'd assume that he'd have had such a conflict in his original companion quest; originally being pro legion, but with doubts, ultimately going off on a "vision quest" (seeing examples of each factions good and bads) and leaving it to the Courier, a major player in his life by this point to decide where he'd end up planting his flag with (he may give you the flagpole in the end if he chooses to back the Courier rather than the others).Wyrmalla 23:52, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Legate helmet?



ok so i added it to the list of armor on the dlc, im not saying its exactly called the legate helmet but it is in a picture on the official site and is the same one Lanius is wearing minus the faceplate so someone look into it and confirm. --Mat mod 02:31, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Link to the last Holotape.


Named Assault Carbine?

Is it me, or does the assault carbine in http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110825151134/fallout/images/thumb/0/02/FONV-Lonesome-Road-Screenshot-01B.jpg/658px-FONV-Lonesome-Road-Screenshot-01B.jpg this photo appear to be camo? I mean that could just be his jacket, but it looks like it has a red emblem on it as well. I really hope it's a named Assault Carbine, I'm sick of the semi-auto guns in this game.

Hmm, it could be either a regular assault carbine the player in the screenshot toke with him, or it could be a new named one. But it doesn't look any visually different to me, the color looks the same, its a little dark to see. --Mat mod 07:35, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

I Hate Dead Man Burdens Perk!!!!

I took intense training every time I leveled up and all my special stats are 10. Now becuase of the Dead Man Burdens Perk (which automatically stops your game to give 1 special point) I now cant procede past ending!!! I cant even pause the game. All my specail points are maxed out legally/liget and the game wont let me continue playing becuase I dont have any more room for 1 more specail point. Im done playing new vegas.--Robandbig 00:20, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

First of all. Please sign your posts. Second of all how did max your SPECIAL Legitly? I dind't think that was possible. Darth Dracula 14:52, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

WOW THAT BITES MATE, i saw no resason to get any stat to 10 but str, and leave the rest 7-8. and i'm still 100 in all my skills, without starting . To darth dracula it's quite possible if you get all implants at the new vegas medical clinic, and do all intense training perks, with the help of the old world blues stat boosts. or even the agility glitch in dead money. --Mat mod 14:57, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

With Small Frame, Reinforced Spine, all the Physical Implants, and ten ranks of Intense Training you can get three 10's, two 8's, and two 7's. How did you fill in the remainder? Note, I don't actually play that way, I'm just tallying.--OvaltinePatrol 15:10, September 20, 2011 (UTC)



PC Release Later Today

Read it fellow PC Gamers.

Ha ha, nevermind, solve my own problem! It is being released later today for us PC Gamers. LoneRanger558 16:29, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


with all the upgrades for ed-e rex is falling behind/seeming left out. where are his upgrades lol. need to make him better, even if they just added fo3's fetch items command...something.

Dead man burden perk is BS

It stops the game to add 1 point to your special. Well what if your already have a maxed out special becuase you always took intenses training? THE GAME WONT LET ME OR ANYONE ELSE WITH A MAXED OUT SPECIAL TO CONTINUE!!!!! I press even button while it says add 1 point and nothing happens. Theres no room for the 1 point and you cant deny it so im now permittley stuck. Its litereally the end for this couriers journey, screw all the developers who had made this perk manditory. IT SHOULD BE OPTIONAL!!!!!! OR HAVE AN ENDING WHERE YOU DONT GET THE PERK!!!!!!--Robandbig 00:17, September 21, 2011 (UTC)