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References[]
UK or this article? BTW I can't find references to the UK in Fallout sources.--dotz 15:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- There are some mentions in Van Buren stuff and Tactics. Ausir 08:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Any more clues, please? I am going to improve this article.--dotz 05:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I have not heard much about Britain's influence in the Fallout universe. The only one I can really think of is if you say that Mr. Tenpenny is of British descent.--MercZ 21:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Flag[]
Its the Union Jack, not the Union Flag. Ive changed it and it is right. --Mary roc 17:51, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Union Jack's the one on warships, flag's all the others. Least read the wikia page. ¬¬
Actually, both are acceptable. It got the name Union Jack from ships, yes, but it's now an acceptable name for the flag...
- It's the Union Jack when at sea, and the Union Flag when on land. However, both are acceptable.
British Flag is more suitable, as an Englishman I can confirm that Union Jack is at sea and Union Flag on Land. British Flag is much more appropriate- User:Evolved Gaming
Two countries[]
India and Nigeria became independent after the WWII, after the divergence happened. Could this mean they are still UK territory? Tezzla Cannon
10:43, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
It's possible, this could also apply to other territories still held by the UK after WWII, including Hong Kong, which, in the fallout world, would give China a reason to attack the UK considering they were already launching nukes at the US Clueless93 13:09, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Overextrapolation?[]
I don't really see that the presence of characters possessing names from related ethnicities is relevant to the topic of the UK as a location in these games. It seems like a bit of a reach. If they had the corresponding accents (Tenpenny doesn't either, but evidently his origin is sourced) it would add an interesting twist; now that I think about it, I do seem to remember Moriarty in Megaton having an accent of some sort. Still, I thought locations in this context were meant to indicate places one can travel or that are featured in some sort of in-game media, like a newspaper report or cutscene-style video of, say, London being nuked (which doesn't exist, of course, at least to my knowledge). That issue aside, I think this article states the obvious in more detail than appropriate; I doubt anyone would seriously challenge that England exists in the Fallout world, which is, after all, our world up to a historically recent period. --75.14.211.239 06:31, October 7, 2010 (UTC)Gryphon
ireland is not uk[]
i am irish and outraged by the fact that i got redirected to this page when click on ireland in collin moriartys page i think this should be changed as only northern ireland is uk and we do not consider ni as a part of ireland we consider it part of the uk.—Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
Fallout has a different history, It's perfectly logical for all of Ireland to be in the UK in the Fallout world.JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"
17:06, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
Really it should be changed to UK and Ireland with them as two different headings and while maybe Ireland once again became part of the uk it may not be the case also *cough* war of independence of 1919-1921 *cough* which is before timeline split. Knight Captain Kerr 11:52, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
I just reorganised the page and noticed this, and I agree, there is no real reason to suspect that the ROI would be part of the UK. I don't think the Irish references belong on this page, but in saying that I don't think there is enough info on Ireland in fallout games to make a page on Ireland, so for the moment we may as well just keep them here?--GreyMullen 05:12, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
Saying whiskey originates from the UK is dubious. Most people would tell you it originates from Ireland off-hand. Come on, guys, the least you could do is do a Google search or look up whiskey on Wikipedia. It wouldn't hurt to broaden your knowledge a bit. 24.139.59.183 11:25, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
- I agree and "whiskey" is also the US spelling, so it has no place on the page.Bwilderbeast 17:04, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
Wrong whiskey is from Scotland it came to Ireland a long time after
That said, this whole article is dubious. It's unknown whether the UK still even exists in Fallout, much less its history. Ireland could just have easily taken back the six northern counties as it could have been conquered again by the British. We don't know. Furthermore, the whole article refers to it as if it is an existing country in Fallout. Check out the U.S.S.R.'s page. It's referred to in past tense the whole article. As far as I know, there are certain guidelines to follow in wiki pages, and this one fails to follow such guidelines. I will be editing it accordingly. 24.139.59.183 11:33, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
One last thing to speculate on. Since the Fallout world is essentially the mirror of a nuked 1950s, the Fallout Ireland would have to reflect such a thing. 2070s Ireland would either be a place of much conflict between the IRA and UK forces or it would be fully liberated from the British by then. You have to take into account that the Irish never give up the fight. As long as one square mile of Ireland is in the hands of the British, there will be violence. 24.139.59.183 11:47, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
I really don't mean to cause you any offence here but maybe you should restrain yourself from editing this article too much. You seem to have a rather one-sided view point and I would really hate to see this turn into an argument. You are correct to point out that the UK (or any other country for that matter) should be referred to in past-tense as nation states wouldn't have survived the war. There is however, no point in speculating on the fate of Northern Ireland as it would be just that, speculation. There is no clear evidence in regards to who would have de facto control of the six counties before the war, and after the war, well it wouldn't matter when everyone living there was dead now, would it?--GreyMullen 19:52, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
The UK does not have counties. Trolly Polly Olly 20:09, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
The U.K. does have counties, more than one type, in fact: Political and Postal (I verified this on Wikipedia).DarthOrc 02:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)DarthOrc
The 'six counties' (local dialect: sax coowntays) refers to the six counties of Northern Ireland: Fermanagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Londonderry/Derry, Armagh and Downe. You are correct that it is an Irish system Trolly, but as part of Ireland is in the UK the above counties are also used as administrative divisions within the UK, exclusive to Northern Ireland.--GreyMullen 22:20, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, right. Btw, in December, the Irish Government said that European Union (Commonwealth) are charging them a large amount that Ireland will have to end their campaign for independence after ninety years.
Northern Ireland would now therefore be still part of the UK, and Ireland would have been dead financially and let the UK take over them. Trolly Polly Olly 22:23, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity what do you mean by 'campaign for independence'? The ROI is already independent from the UK and it is unlikely that the ROI would rejoin the UK, it is also unlikely that the UK would give up Northern Ireland. It will just be a situation of carry on as normal.--GreyMullen 22:50, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
They've been trying to diplomatically get NI for 90 years. Trolly Polly Olly 07:03, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
- LMFAO, I love the title of this topic and the topic starter, who is ultimately is trying to say that Ireland is the ROI. If they just consider NI to be part of the UK, then Ireland (in part) is also part of the UK, considering that NI is located on that land mass. And we can also take the same logic as the topic starter and also consider ROI not to be Ireland and only part of the ROI (or all of the ROI in this case). So this topic starts off as complete BS. Lets get this straight thought, Ireland is a land mass and not a sovereign state, so suck up that national pride and leave it at the door.
- While we are at it, lets dispel some other rubbish here. Firstly, "Really it should be changed to UK and Ireland"... err you are mixing nation and land masse terms. Not really a good idea since part of Ireland is also part of the UK, this dosnt work to well. You would be better off with Great Britain and Ireland. Yes there is a difference between GB and UK, one is a sovereign state of nations and the other is a geographical term (once a sovereign state).
- "*cough* war of independence of 1919-1921 *cough* which is before timeline split." Really, well considering Sunset Sarsaparilla was established in 1918 and doesn't exist in our world, there is a lot of room to argue that.
- "Saying whiskey originates from the UK is dubious. Most people would tell you it originates from Ireland off-hand. ". No, I would say it came from Scotland just as much as Ireland. Since Scotland is part of the UK as much as NI is, saying it comes from the UK isn't any more wrong than saying it only came from Ireland, since both statements exclude certain areas of equal claim.
-You aren't most people. Take a look around the internet and do a little research. It's easy enough to see Whiskey originated in Ireland. Furthermore, if you knew your history, you would know that the Scots are themselves Gaelic, Alba (Scotland) being a unification of the Irish kingdom of Dal Raita and the Picts. Everything Scottish developed out of Irish culture, including whiskey. 72.171.0.149 06:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
- "The UK does not have counties". And you say you are form the UK sigh. While in some areas they may no longer exist in terms of local government (Wales and Scotland), they however do still exist for other purposes.
21:33, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
- ^^^ What 'e said. I fear you might be fighting a losing battle here GhostAvatar. Although you are talking a lot of sense the whole NI issue is touchy and people are often very opinionated about it to the point of stubbornness. Trying to have a mature discussion about it, never mind adding in all the extra possibilities in a Fallout context due to divergence, is almost impossible over the internet.--GreyMullen 02:13, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
- You could always try to write the developers and ask, if it bugs you that much. - Redmess (talk) 00:39, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
Overseas Territories[]
Just for the information of whoever keeps adding it in; Australia, Canada and New Zealand are not British overseas territories, they are part of the Commonwealth of Nations, that is all.
Actually no the commonwealth nor the overseas territories existed before the split,it was all the Empire, and because of the larger threats from other nations Britain may have held on to a lot of its empire in the fallout universe maybe even re-expanding.
- Canada signed the Statute of Westminster pre WW2, and Australia signed it during WW2, so pre the presumed split. However, it is correct to say that the status is unknown - as in completely unknown and cannot be presumed that the commonwealth (or any inclusive states) did, or did not, exist as we know it. Agent c (talk) 12:49, August 10, 2014 (UTC)
European Commonwealth[]
Just on this line:
and the only confirmed member of the European Commonwealth.
Although the UK is an EU (Formerly EEC) member in the real world, is there any confirmation of their status in Fallout's. The UK was not a founding member, it joined later, and had imperial sentiment continued it may not have joined at all. Agent c 19:31, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm I think that line should be taken out until it can be referenced. I don't remember reading at all when flicking through the Fallout Bibles. Kiwi 
19:44, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
- That's a good point, Chad. Until we can find confirmation for this perhaps it should be removed. It's not that big of a deal anyway. --Skire (talk) 20:20, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Is full name necessary?[]
Is it really necessary to have this article (and for that manner, the articles on the United States and Soviet Union) use the full name of the country? Why can't it just be United Kingdom, United States, and Soviet Union respectively? — M.C.Tales (talk) 14:46, July 18, 2012 (UTC) As NukaPedia's goal is to be a Fallout Encyclopedia, the full name, where known, is always the prefered option. There may be other countries with similar names: eg The United Mexican States. Other countries have also used this in their title in history, some during Fallots divergence period, which opens the possibility for them to be still using it in the Fallout Universe. Agent c (talk) 15:52, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
A "Brief" Clear up of confusion and History[]
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland consists of the Island of Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland) and the Island of Ireland, split between Northern Island and The Republic of Ireland, these are two different entities, the Republic of Ireland operates separately from Northern Ireland.
The flag is a combination of the flag of Saint George's Cross (England), the flag of Saint Patrick's Cross (Ireland) and the flag of Saint Andrew's Cross (Scotland), Wales nor any of the Islands surrounding the British Isles have a inclusion of their flags on the Union Flags design. The correct name of the flag is the Union Flag, the name "Union Jack" is the name given to the flag after it is flown on a ship.
The United Kingdom previously was the leader of the largest empire in history, The British Empire, major countries colonized and inhabited were America, Canada, India, Australia etc it owned approximately 54 countries and multiple colonies over the world. The United Kingdom rules over the Commonwealth of Nations and its 54 countries, "The Commonwealth is not a political union, but an intergovernmental organization in which countries with diverse social, political and economic backgrounds are regarded as equal in status. (Wikipedia" If Europe did form into the Commonwealth and became part of the Commonwealth, the United Kingdom would probably lead or have a high position in some way.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island owns the 14 British Oversea Territories, remains from the original British Empire, these include:
Anguilla Bermuda British Antarctic Territory British Indian Ocean Territory British Virgin Islands Cayman Islands Falkland Islands Gibraltar Montserrat Pitcairn Islands Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia Turks and Caicos Islands
England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are not counted as Oversea Territories, neither are any other Islands surrounded and owned by the previously stated countries.
I really hope this helps and is not too long or incorrect, I spent a while writing it so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.--Jendo305 (talk) 05:28, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
Northern or Republic Of?[]
This was recently removed from the page;
on the grounds that Ireland is not part of the UK. This is true for the republic of Ireland, but not for northern Ireland. So the question here is are these characters republic or ireland or northern irish (if we know). If we don't know, then what do we do with this? Do we make a page that covers both RoI and Northern Ireland, and have (any future) information (we might get) about Northern Ireland appear on that page, and not here? JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 18:06, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
Remove it. It makes no sense to put it on this page, and there's not enough info for an Ireland page. --188.141.67.213 00:48, July 12, 2015 (UTC)
That's kind of a shit way of solving it; no point spitting dummies out by removing all info cos we can't find a solution. To be honest, I'd personally just leave it the way it is, the information needs to be covered in some way, and in this type of form, and if you look at it properly, it makes sense. And as for the sensitive Irish nationalist shit that several times has almost ruined this page in past years, I'm part-Irish myself, I lived in the Republic for 6 years when I was younger, and I'm not arsed about this, so please actually come up with a decent counter-argument other than "I'm Irish and I don't like it", cos that's not enough. 
OfficialLolGuy Talk Blog 10:52, July 12, 2015 (UTC)
4 characters have a slight connection to one country, and your solution is to put them on the page of another country. It's a good bet to say there'll be some Irish characters in Fallout 4 considering how many Irish people live in Boston. If there are, maybe then you will deem the country worthy of having a page to itself. But for now there is very little info, and having those characters on this page looks ridiculous.--188.141.67.213 12:11, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
We have no grounds to make an Ireland page as the country hasn't been referenced yet in Fallout, whilst we do know the United Kingdom has and we have several Irish accented characters in the series. It's best bet to place them here until we know more, because as far as reason is concerned they are just as likely to be from the Republic as they are from Northern Ireland; they do not inherently belong to either, but we must go on information we know. 86.175.251.121 12:37, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
We know there is an Island called Ireland. We don't know if there is a state called Ireland. The free state may never have been formed, or the republic could have been invaded later as a part of resource wars or euro wars. Until there is a reference to the state, not just a geographic area. 31.81.230.212 14:29, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
- While it is true that we don't know that, the Fallout world and our world were the same, until the Fallout world split from our timeline, which was after Republic of Ireland became independent. While yes, it has never been confirmed in game that RoI exists and is independent of the UK, it has already been established with this timeline. JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 14:56, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
"We have no grounds to make an Ireland page as the country hasn't been referenced yet in Fallout".
From the page itself: "There are also several references to Ireland in the Fallout universe".
You can't have it both ways. I already said twice we don't need a page for Ireland, but if your only argument is that these characters must be grouped together on a page then there should be an Ireland page. Look at these pathetic excuses for pages: Finland and Belgium. One character from a non-canon game got a page for their country, and one company got a page too. There is 0 info about the state of the countries, their current borders, current governments, nothing. Yet Belgium wasn't lumped in with Germany, nor Finland with Mexico. --188.141.67.213 21:52, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
Is the Special Relationship, between the US and the UK still active or not? given the status of the fallout series. I am guessing that the Special relationship, is either disbanded or somehow still barely active; because we shear great ties with the UK. everyway imaginable-- from military to economic and all the way to governmental calibration, so it should be active to some extent.....
Status of Wales[]
Prior to the divergence, Wales was governed contigiously with England as part of the same legal structure and government. This contrasts with the "Home Rule" in Northern Ireland, and the seperate legal system (if not a separate government ala NI) in Scotland. As such, Wales having any HQ or significant government function is speculation as it is unknown if Welsh Devolution existed in the Fallout Universe, and if it did to what extent this took. Agent c (talk) 11:45, October 15, 2015 (UTC)
Fallout 4 Ireland reference[]
The Eddie Winter holotape 8 - http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Eddie_Winter_holotapes references a trip to Ireland, which makes it appear more common that is apparent in the article.
Ireland needs to be updated[]
We have an Irish character in Fallout 4 (Cait), Spoken Holotapes talking about Ireland itself and a multitude of other Irish references throughout the game world.
- You can always add it if you don't want to wait for someone else to do it.--Enderverse (talk) 23:55, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
Wording of lead[]
I reverted the lead paragraph to say "was a country in Europe..." because it makes more sense than "is", as the next part says how it may or may not exist. --Theoctopus (talk) 20:26, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
Ireland[]
I would like to develop a separate page for Ireland(Republic of Ireland specifically) and build the the irish content on this page, would anyone be against me doing so? ProfPixels (talk) 13:31, November 3, 2019 (UTC)
