What about preselected characters in Fallout and Fallout 2 (eg. Max Stone). Fallout demo is lacking (Max Stone).--dotz 08:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- What about changing order of games - spin-offs to the end?--dotz 14:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Van Buren demo playable character - Citizen.--dotz 14:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- The spinoff Fallout games are Fallout games, so I see no need to move them down just because they don't fit the community's ideal Fallout vison or whatever. I didn't add the Citizen because there's no page for him, and frankly, he doesn't need one. Besides, he uses the Prisoner's model, so how could you even tell that he's a different character if you've never read any of the Van Buren design documents?
- Van Buren demo playable character - Citizen.--dotz 14:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Nobody cares about the predesigned characters. There's nothing about them that makes them unique from your own Vault Dweller outside of a small backstory. Darkman 4 15:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- I added the predesigned characters. And I also think that Fallout 3 should be moved up - it's not about the community ideal, I just think that the main series should precede any spin-offs in the templates, even in cases when a hypothetical spin-off would be more faithful to the canon than e.g. Fallout 3. Also, why the italics? I think only game titles should be italicized, not list items. Ausir 20:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Nobody cares about the predesigned characters. There's nothing about them that makes them unique from your own Vault Dweller outside of a small backstory. Darkman 4 15:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't add the Citizen because there's no page for him - So create link to non-existing page or type it with no internal link. so how could you even tell that he's a different character - VB demo events occured c.a. when war was beginned, VB - in 2253. you've never read any of the Van Buren design documents - check my profile and contributions please and then preach. Nobody cares about the predesigned characters. - Eg. Fallout demo users do. The only possible playabe character there is Max Stone - in the same time he can start his journey at V13 in Fallout and is present in Scrapheap in Fallout demo (with no time limit); Natalia is almost the only source of information concerning USSR, both threes are good samples of V13 and Arroyo community members. Each - is archetype for some kind of way of life/play (Charisma Boy, Stealth Boy, Combat Boy).--dotz 08:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
IMO playable character nicknames should be separated from predesigned characters' names.--dotz 09:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Whay about placing Van Buren before spin-offs? (it is not a one). Still both demos are lacking.--dotz 09:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)