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What about preselected characters in Fallout and Fallout 2 (eg. Max Stone). Fallout demo is lacking (Max Stone).--dotz 08:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

What about changing order of games - spin-offs to the end?--dotz 14:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Van Buren demo playable character - Citizen.--dotz 14:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
The spinoff Fallout games are Fallout games, so I see no need to move them down just because they don't fit the community's ideal Fallout vison or whatever. I didn't add the Citizen because there's no page for him, and frankly, he doesn't need one. Besides, he uses the Prisoner's model, so how could you even tell that he's a different character if you've never read any of the Van Buren design documents?
Nobody cares about the predesigned characters. There's nothing about them that makes them unique from your own Vault Dweller outside of a small backstory. Darkman 4 15:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I added the predesigned characters. And I also think that Fallout 3 should be moved up - it's not about the community ideal, I just think that the main series should precede any spin-offs in the templates, even in cases when a hypothetical spin-off would be more faithful to the canon than e.g. Fallout 3. Also, why the italics? I think only game titles should be italicized, not list items. Ausir 20:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I didn't add the Citizen because there's no page for him - So create link to non-existing page or type it with no internal link. so how could you even tell that he's a different character - VB demo events occured c.a. when war was beginned, VB - in 2253. you've never read any of the Van Buren design documents - check my profile and contributions please and then preach. Nobody cares about the predesigned characters. - Eg. Fallout demo users do. The only possible playabe character there is Max Stone - in the same time he can start his journey at V13 in Fallout and is present in Scrapheap in Fallout demo (with no time limit); Natalia is almost the only source of information concerning USSR, both threes are good samples of V13 and Arroyo community members. Each - is archetype for some kind of way of life/play (Charisma Boy, Stealth Boy, Combat Boy).--dotz 08:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

IMO playable character nicknames should be separated from predesigned characters' names.--dotz 09:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Whay about placing Van Buren before spin-offs? (it is not a one). Still both demos are lacking.--dotz 09:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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