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-- GhostAvatar (Talk) 22:13, May 14, 2011

Thank you for your recent edit to a weapon page here at The Vault. I just wanted to drop you a quick note to let you know that we don't put real-world weapon references on article pages, unless it's the same name as the real-world weapon, or if is mentioned by a developer that the ingame weapon is intended to represent a specific real-world weapon. Thanks again. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:24, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Please read through the Vaults policy and guidelines before any further edits.

I am aware of the references, but as per policy unless it is specifically mentioned that this weapon is based on the M1911, it doesn't get added. If it is mentioned on Formspring, that's great, get the source and references it, trust me it would save me a lot of headaches. As for the "baptism by fire", it may be close to the real world reference (which may be worthy of a entry in behind the scenes section), but it directed towards the punishment received for his defeat. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:40, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
The Vault:Content policy#Similarities to real-world weapons
Old World Blues
  1. The infobox auto defaults to 240px, the px attribute is for anything other than the default size, so it was kinda redundent.
  2. You shouldn't remove required sections even if they are empty, this is why we have the {{section}} template. The reasoning behind this is that a lot of edits are done by anons, who do not always know the page layouts. By having the sections there ready to be filled, it keeps uniformity across the wiki when the information does become available.
  3. Removed a lot of content in regards to what is relevant to the page from the video. It is far enough adding the video I think in this case, although it does directly violate video policy in some regards. But without the relevant info in regards to it, it can be confusing to a reader as to what is relevant.
  4. The rest is probably far enough, although some of it was placed in the wrong section, ie: cast info moved to notes where it should be in behind the scenes.
Zion Canyon
  1. Again removing required sections, even the building section as it is debatable about the size and scope of Zion Canyon at present.
  2. The images where acceptable as they give some idea of the scope of the location.
  3. Removed the actual inhabitants along with the section.
  4. Again some the rest is probably far enough.
  1. The intro name should be that of the page name, I know the previous version wasn't, but the change only made it worse.
  2. I disagree with the image removal, this is because the image in the infobox (even thought higher quality) is cut at mid waste. The gallery image (even at poor quality) gives a full view until such time as it can be replaced.
Snow globe - Zion National Park
  1. It doesn't appear in the GECK at all and dosnt have a base id at present, it was cut completely from the GECK or not even included. It remains in the game files as unused meshes and textures, which requires a external programme to create (I know as I made the image).
  2. It may not be mandatory, but it is best practise.

Overall the main issues was removing valid information which resulted in the reverts (even though a decent amount was good edits, removal far outstrips the benefits), if it had been simple formatting issues then I would have considered if the edits where overall beneficial or detrimental. Honestly, those pages need a good clean up, which I intend to do next. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 18:54, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

P.S. A lot of information on Joshua Graham comes from the Van Buren design documents, which where he most commonly know from and referred to and has always been know to have survived.

Just took a look at the video addition for Old World Blue, and it was the correct choice, the issue was that the title for the video describes it as Fallout New Vegas Honest Hearts Trailer, which is what caused my confusion. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:20, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
Ahhh, the Honest Hearts shouldn't be set at that either, the best thing is to take the Fallout 3 add on pages as the guideline. Also the location layouts are for large settlements and districts ie: areas larger than a small town etc. As for the image, it is best to keep the better quality one as the main image, the issue is there currently isn't a image that display the full armor as well as in high detail, but that doesn't really matter to much as in a few days either me or Jspoelstra will mostly be replacing the image for a better one.
But don't let this discourage you from making edits, most of it was good, the main issue was the removal of relevant information and sections. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:07, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
I was more referring to the layout of the page when taking about the add-ons, for box art just take the main FNV page or FO3 page for example. But going full width has the disadvantage of increasing the infobox size in terms of height, which can be a detractor for monobox skin readers. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:20, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
Naaa, I didn't. It was referring to The May release of Qore, which is the one that was released 2 weeks ago and was also the video you added. As for the image size, I don't think we need a policy, just consistency. To be honest I aint to bothered about the size, what concerns me is uniformity across the wiki and also going forward, hence one of the reasons I tend to prefer the default settings. For example if the template that controls the default was changed, it wouldn't affect these pages and requires a lot more effect correcting. To me it is better to correct a single global setting rather than a many local ones. A perfect example of this is the recent change of skins about 6 months ago, where the old skins was removed by Wikia. Previously all gallery where set at a image width of 140px to fit x amount of images perfect to the old skins width, now these no longer fit and there are still many of the older pages with this setting that need to be correct for each one. Example - Super mutant
Also, as I said previously, they where mostly good, but the removal of information was the big issue with the edits and was the main reason for the reverts. If it hadn't of been for the removal of information then they would have stayed (in these cases it is easier to revert then correct the issues with the page, rather than trying to look throw the edit and re-add info). Going forward, you don't need to make minor edits in most cases, just do removal of info as a separate edit. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 22:10, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks for reminding me about the lists, now adding the {{columns}} to condense the page.

Opps, if I did, then feel free to re-add it. As for the image size, as previously stated, I am not against it. If you feel you can maintain it going forward, then by all means do so for all the box art images. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:21, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Not really since this puts it 30 years earlier than its real world counterpart. Also the rules are very explicit in what can and cant be included, either it has to be named that in-game or a stated by a dev. Incidental references in-game are not sufficient. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:21, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Burned Man

Because it shows more of him than the other screenshot. Besides, Honest Hearts is out tomorrow. If it's such a problem, then you can make a proper HD screencap tomorrow and submit it. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 00:08, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Survivalist's Rifle

We need actual proof that this was his rifle, not that it was "likely" his rifle. Please refer to the content policy here. All content has to be verifiable and not just speculation. I won't revert it until you get me some sort of verification. Thanks.--Kingclyde 00:07, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Red Links

My apologies. Thanks for the information. Almighty Higgey 02:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


Dude i did no such thing!(Nemerian 06:26, May 20, 2011 (UTC))

Honest Hearts image

Hello my friend ;)

Yes I can, only images of the intro, I still have not finished the DLC and I wanted to avoid seeing the end =D!

I'll do it now for the two, I'll go there but if you have images of the intro that looks good in your mind, don't hesitate to say, I upload it. Nice evening and soon! Itachou [~talk~] 17:54, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Graham image discussion

Hey hello Lugiatm!

Thank you for indicate me the discussion on the Graham talk page, I just take part. Nice day to you and see you soon! Itachou [~talk~] 14:14, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Dead Horses

I didn't add it, the background of the dead horses was split up into History and Background so I just combined the two together. The Caesar's Legion thing was already there, but it does make sense since Graham visited the Dead Horses before he was thrown out of Caesar's Legion, but I'm not entirely sure if they were going to join. Shadowrunner(stuff) 21:54, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fan Art?

What? An image from a game where the only unofficial element are eye textures sure as hell isn't fan art. That's an infinitely stupid claim and you should ashamed of yourself for making it.http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:56, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

You're either very dense or very stupid, I can't tell which. Fan art means entirely fan-created content. A single mini-mod that changes a completely irrelevant part of an image does not constitute fan art. Leave interpreting rules to people who have a background in law. Like me. Also, congratulations for pissing me off, nobody has done that in a looong while. Have a trophy or something. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:17, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
You're an idiot, thanks for clarifying that. A screenshot is not a derivative work nor a work of art. It is a graphical representation of a game's content. Good job at omitting the rest of the definition too:

Fan art or fanart is artwork that is based on a character, costume, item, or story that was created by someone other than the artist, such as a fan, from which the word is derived from. The term, while it can apply to art done by fans of characters from books, is usually used to refer to art derived from visual media such as comics, movies or video games. In addition to traditional paintings and drawings, fan artists may also create web banners, avatars, or web-based animations, as well as photo collages, posters, and artistic representation of movie/show/book quotes.

As you can see, the definition you claim to be supporting your point is actually doing the exact opposite, especially since the screenshot depicts vanilla Graham skin, armour, terrain, water, weather effects, lighting systems etc. as designed by Obsidian. Your claim that a minor alteration such as swapping out crappy textures for better textures makes a screenshot fan art is completely and utterly stupid for reasons that should be obvious.
But since you seem oblivious to it, let me indulge you:
The screenshot is an unaltered file generated by the Gamebryo engine by triggering the screenshot command during regular gameplay. As such, it is not in any way my or any other person's derivative work since it has been generated by the program automatically. A prerequisite for fan art is it being an original work based on pre-existing intellectual property. A screenshot is not.
In real life I'd still call you an idiot, except I'd put a little more effort into making it clever. Text does not carry sarcasm and mockery well, so I have to settle for just outing you for obvious cluelessness. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 18:29, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sad that the subject creates such disagreement with you Mikael. From debates I had with you, you always seem to want to have the last word and be right, but you can't always be right. And we're not in a court martial as I already said, you are here on a wiki and you are not judging a crime or something like that, this is different. A policy is implemented, it must be followed and not seek any way to bypass this. Also, can you avoid insulting people when they do not agree with you?

I think this discussion with you going nowhere and will be a waste of time for all, avoid in the future to do such thing to avoid creating conflicts. Good evening all. Itachou [~talk~] 18:41, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Why did you move the page for "Edward Callow" back to "Caesar"?

Indeed, but unlike Mr. House or Joshua, Caesar's real name has been mentioned only once, and that was in a DLC exclusively. Most players weren't (and some still aren't) aware what his real name is (unlike House or Joshua whose real names have been mentioned in the vanilla game many times - Edward's wasn't). --Atomkilla 18:27, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Caesar is his name. He has taken on a new identity, not just a "rank", his name is now Caesar, not Edward Callow. This, as well as the earlier "some people aren't aware" (which is perfectly true) are valid arguments. If you disagree, ask an admin or Ausir. Hugs Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 18:54, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Scarface's explanation is a good one, and I agree with him. As for me, I think it should stay "Caesar" to avoid the confusion. But if you want to put this forward to the community, sure, go ahead. I don't mind, though I believe that the original pagename will stay. --Atomkilla 19:02, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Caesar is a rank, and Lanius "becomes the new Caesar". But in HH Joshua refers to Edward and Caesar as different persons, and that kinda made me slightly confused. But take it up with the community, an admin or Ausir, before making any changes. Hugs Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 19:34, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hello I'm an admin ;). It's better know under the name Caesar, like the Master of Fallout 1 (real name Richard Moreau), so we will keep Caesar. Good evening all! Itachou [~talk~] 19:39, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Qore 36

I stand corrected. Also, on further looking at the page, the preview is already commented about on the page along with the video of the relevant content. That sentence does not belong within the lead section of the page. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:21, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Page are not there for news, pages are there to give content on the subject. News on this site is delivered in a different matter and the lack of news is in itself hardly news. Plus, that is hardly indirectly referenced, it plainly states that it is the preview footage for the May episode. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:53, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Your message to Ausir

Would you mind spelling out for me what exactly the violation of Admin policy is and by whom? I have read through the exchange you posted, and I am interested in the particulars of the accusation you are leveling. Thank you.--Gothemasticator 21:07, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Tagaziel has been blocked for 3 days, just like any other user would be for violating the policy. Also, if you feel that Tagaziel should be demoted as administrator, I suggest you start a demotion request in Forum:Wiki discussion, similar to how the adminship requests work. After such community vote, the final decision will be made by the bureaucrats. Ausir(talk) <staff/> 23:06, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Fiddling with votes?!?

When moving YuriKaslov's comment to the comment area, you removed my vote for keeping Tagaziel an admin. DO NOT TAMPER WIH VOTES, or you might be facing a ban the next time. No hug Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 21:07, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Caesar and Caesar's legion page

Hello my friend ;)

Please keep the same format already used in the pages Master and Unity for the pages Caesar and Caesar's legion. The Master of Fallout 1 and Caesar are very similar personalities, who have abandoned their original personality to adopt a new one - different from the original.

Both had a friendly personality on the first sight - both ended brutal, ideals and believe that their opinion was the most favorable for the Wasteland.

Edward Sallow becomes and takes the name Caesar just as he become the leader of the Blackfoot - like Richard Moreau/Richard Grey when he fell into the FEV vats of Mariposa, has mutated and began to merge with another person, takes the name Master and came up with the idea to "unify" the wasteland, to make it as perfect as he believed himself to be.

After defeating the rival tribes of the Blackfoot, Caesar came up also with the idea to "unify" the wasteland and formed the Legion with Joshua Graham - like The Master after creating the super mutants, create the Unity for the same thing. Itachou [~talk~] 22:45, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Edward Sallow was narcissistic and petulant, but he was a friendly person, he has never committed a brutal act or tried to change the world by any means whatsoever, he had no the idea of creating a society based on slavery and self-sacrifice for the common good, he felt responsible for bringing peace to the manner of the Follower of the Apocalypse (based on game dialogue with Caesar). By becomes Caesar, he deny his former personality and all his old ideology - just like The Master, which is exactly the same personality before (removing the Follower of the Apocalypse) and after. The proof is, when the player talk with him, he can not get his old name, also like the Master.
No, according to the story of Caesar (also based on game dialogue with Caesar), he was named himself Caesar when he have the idea of creates the legion after the war ended with the rival tribes of the Blackfoot, not after created the legion with Joshua Graham.
Also based on game dialogue with Joshua Graham in Honest Hearts, Caesar was most probably named after becoming leader of the Blackfoot since Joshua Graham, asking how he could become Legate, said at first he was recruited to translate - he'll tell Edward, but suddenly changes without finishing his words to say Caesar (and once the legion created, Joshua Graham became Legate directly so it could not be recruited only to translate after the creation of the legion since he became Legate directly - in addition he is co-founder of the legion).
You mix two things, Malpais Legate is just a nickname given by the other, Caesar is a new proper name chosen by himself. Otherwise, we should appoint Lanius on the page as the "Monster of the East". Itachou [~talk~] 13:13, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Faction pages

The games in the info box should be listed in order of canonicity (ie: FNV before VB). User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:53, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


Hello Lugiatm =)!

Please don't remove information you think are useless but it's background information which must remain like "As they wandered the Mojave Wasteland they fought many savages with their explosive weapons. However, for "every 43.6 savages they killed" one of their own died."

Otherwise, nice find for the symbol ;)! Itachou [~talk~] 12:54, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

I reput the information with yours but nice work on the rewrite of the page and the endings section ;). Nice day and see soon my friend! Itachou [~talk~] 13:08, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
Because the 34 is representative of all the Boomers and not just there leader. The one that was up, was the image from the plane that they added in honor of there leader, in similar fashion to those which adorned US aircraft during and after World War II. You will also note that the image of Pearl also includes the 34 on the back of the vault suit. That is what they have taken as representative of them and not the image of pearl. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:18, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
I would have to disagree, this is because the 34 is what they have chosen to represent themselves and not the image of Pearl or the vault door. This is evident by the fact that the Boomers added this logo to the flight jackets found at Nellis and pretty much every boomer have this symbol on there clothing, not imagery of the vault doors or Pearl. So this is in fact the faction logo as it is what they have chosen to identify themselves even after leaving the Vault. The image of Pearl is used only in one instance and therefore cant be considered a faction logo. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:57, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Faction overhaul

Are you sure about your work on the faction pages? The pages you worked on today (well written by the way) lose a few thousands bytes of data. I can see your following guidelines but it looks to me like too much info is lost. JspoelJspoel Vault Boy.png 13:44, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Capital Wasteland BOS page and remove contents

Hello Lugiatm.

Looking at your changes to the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel page, I see that you still have remove much information as rank section, character section etc. and entered false information, such as the fact that it is a chapter of the original Brotherhood then it's false, it is an independent division having no contact and no longer part of the original Brotherhood.

This is not the first time, you also did with the Boomers page, where I had to go behind you and reput information. Jspoelstra seems to be agree with me according to his message on your talk page.

This is the last time I saw it from you, the next time I will be forced to temporarily ban you for "Removing content from pages", I have no choice, I don't always want to watch behind you if your edits are correct.

Good day. Itachou [~talk~] 15:16, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

False information like that can be put in a page, only rely on yourself. I'll edit the guidelines right now for the factions project. Itachou [~talk~] 15:37, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Guidelines was edited, please be aware of before you edit a faction page. Itachou [~talk~] 15:51, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

The project at the base is poorly written, what I wrote it's temporary and a debate should take place. What you say is reasonable, the problem is that creates two different page, one only background and another only gameplay seems exaggerated, why the project should be reviewed in a sense.
I did not used roll back - I take ​​your change and I mix it with previous information that seemed interesting (which took me a considerable time).
For the Capital Wasteland BOS, I give support to my Fallout knowledge. We can easily compare it with the Midwestern, separate and independent. It also said in a dialogue with an outcast, as they try to resume with the original Brotherhood - so the Capital Wasteland therefore has no contact with them.
Two admin see that you remove a lot of information, this is not a coincidence. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you and I find your writing very good on pages, the problem is that you remove information which should be kept (like Tabitha founded the State of Utobitha in 2279) and other that should stay (most gameplay - stay somewhere) that several people took their time to write, and that are not anything. Itachou [~talk~] 17:19, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Fallout faction overhaul project debate

If you have the time, please see the debate I've started on the forum: Fallout faction overhaul project debate, Thanks! Itachou [~talk~] 18:03, June 1, 2011 (UTC)


I created a fallout 2 page for you. they are different characters consider the EPA and Big empty is different. We both win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PipMan (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

These characters are different. Use the fallout 2 page. If I am wrong, we can merge them later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PipMan (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
One is from the EPA, one if from the Big Empty. We can merge if I'm wrong once Ausir or the game confirms it —Preceding unsigned comment added by PipMan (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
I'm saying that one is fallout 2 cut content and one is upcoming New Vegas content. If we could hold off until the DLC is released and this toaster is confirmed to be the same character, you can edit that to the Old World Blues page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PipMan (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
One page is Toaster (Fallout 2), one is (Toaster (Old World Blues) PIP 00:20, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • They are not the smae character! Just because a talking toaster was cut from Fallout 2 does not mean they are the same. They should have separate pages becasue the majority of the Old World Blues toaster's page is Fallout 2 cut bullshit! You're vandalizing the page by adding fake information. PIP 02:33, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


Please read the bug policy and stop slapping verify tags on every bug. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:46, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

That is true, but simply slapping a verify tag on every bug as well is not an acceptable alternative either. And you would be surprised how likely they are to still be around. Once a patch is released a lot of bugs get checked by various users and removed as well as added to the patch pages. This is because Bethesda are notorious for not releasing full notes on there patches if any. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 00:08, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Old world blues release date

i just signed up to the vault and i saw the release date for old world blues on a pretty reliable site, i thought it was it.....sorry about that

IXero 11:44, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Followers of the Apocalypse

Hello Lugiatm ;)

I also have the guide, and it never says they are all left the Boneyard. It's marked in addition they have taken control of the Boneyard, so I can't see all the Followers completely left the Boneyard while they control the area. Itachou [~talk~] 16:12, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Broken Hills

Why do you keep changing the image on the Broken Hills page? --Atomkilla 12:59, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

  • Still, it's a spoiler image. And all other location pages from Fallout 2 feature images like the original one on Broken Hills (e.g. Redding). It's all right to add that image to the Gallery, but I don't think you should post it in the infobox. --Atomkilla 13:02, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
  • All right, then. --Atomkilla 13:09, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

South Vegas Ruins

Yet it is not within the boundaries of New Vegas. Plus, the guide is not always correct. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 22:48, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Additionally, the guide lists it under New Vegas conurbation. The interior zones is a simple game mechanics break down.


Hello Lugiatm =)

Please don't put a bad split in the Arroyo page (ask an admin before proposed ideas on a complex thing that can change drastically The Vault like that).

New Arroyo is always Arroyo, like New Vegas is Las Vegas and San Diego is Dayglow. The only things needed is to create a propre page of the Arroyo of Fallout 2 (like Shady Sands version of Fallout 2) named "Arroyo (Fallout 2)" and a page of Arroyo with the name "New Arroyo" and all of this story and includes all games. Itachou [~talk~] 18:02, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ho also, keep the map image for the location of Fallout and Fallout 2, it's the policy for now. Don't always follow blindly the Policies and guidelines, it has certain passages that have not changed since a long time and yet the policy for certain page's type have changed. If you have any doubt, take example on some page being updated on one or more types (Fallout 1-2 locations, weapons etc.), it will give you the procedure (which I do). Itachou [~talk~] 18:09, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Same format used by Shady Sands (Fallout) and New California Republic (town) (Shady Sands in Fallout 2), so he don't need discussion, the format is already here. Proof for geographically distinct? I don't think they would have called "New Arroyo" if it was not the same place. Itachou [~talk~] 21:15, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Why you still want to change things that were put in place for some time and that everyone has found nothing to say. Ghost is already in The Vault right now, it's also a skilled admin, if my edition was bad or something, I would have said me and changed my edition (like the New Reno page today), like other skilled people I know would say me.
Sorry but from what I've seen, your edits are often disputed by other, and in my opinion, are often not the best decision for The Vault. As I said, I already used a format that was already used in another page, I have nothing to reproach myself. Resettled does not necessarily say "another place" or something, which I did not see in your quotes. Itachou [~talk~] 21:45, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you have the right, but as I say, in my opinion your suggestions are not necessarily the best for The Vault, and you get a hateful person reputation in the Wiki in wanting to change everything.

For New Arroyo location, I find it strange that it is not the same place (ending can change, as we have seen for New Reno), anyway if it does, we have no indication of where New Arroyo it is now, it could also be just near the destroyed Arroyo village, which would change not much in the end. Until there is no real confirmation on a real location, the pages are keep separated, with notification on resettlement of the inhabitants of Arroyo and V13 in the New Arroyo page. Itachou [~talk~] 22:16, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but only speculation, no real indication so we can not advance more.
Well, not only admin my friend, from what I saw you was in many conflict with Me, Ghost, Kingclyde, Tagaziel, Deadlykris (all admins yes for now but admins are qualified people who can generally make good decisions, you can not say otherwise), but hey please, not only admin like I say, even with normal user like Atomkilla and Scarface11235, and not even in space of one month!
So well, I will speak frankly. I was contributes on several gaming Wiki in the past, each in a different way of seeing things. What I do on The Vault was completely rejected on Dragon Age Wiki, why? Because he did not have the same policy, and by wanting to change things, I was hated was there, and all my decisions have always rejected. You are doing the same thing, change one thing here and there it goes, but want to change everything is not a good thing to do, and I say this as someone who experienced it on another Wiki. You're the only one thinking like that, I did not see anyone else, giving you in the future a bad reputation, as I had on Dragon Age Wiki.
Submit new project is interesting, but still want to destroy what was well done before was not the best thing to do (only if there is something to really change, like the faction project). I go sleep my friend, please think about that. Good night and see soon! Itachou [~talk~] 22:53, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Already write in the page, and I need a real location for the rest.

For proposal, yes for intelligent propositions, but not on a proposal only based on personal opinion (like Shady Sands - Arroyo, the discussion was already done).

You are wrong, reputation is important in community, even in a Wiki or in Real-life, it's the base of all (I don't know how old you are, but it is important to know that). Reputation gives interested and want to learn more about on opinion. But like everywhere, some people they hate you will vote against you even if you made ​​a good proposal, and you can not do anything against that, like me before on Dragon Age Wiki. What wiki gaming you are edited? I seen you in Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia but that's all - Wikipedia and Gaming Wiki are two different things. Itachou [~talk~] 23:45, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

El Diablo rollercoaster

The rollercoaster should be mentioned in the Primm article. It should not have its own page as it is not a location as described per policy and the GECK. Here is the policy for location layout and it is not a settlement, district or anything similar. According to the GECK it is listed the same as a fence or electrical box (ie an item). And when it comes to item layout, the policy for the articles would have far too many empty sections to make it a valid article. Thus it should be a mentioned item on the Primm page as it can be seen and accessed outside of the Big Bison hotel itself.--Kingclyde 20:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving a response on my talk page with attitude. You obviously didn't read what I wrote, "It should not have its own page as it is not a location as described per policy and the GECK". That is taken directly from my last message above. In the GECK, which is what this wiki uses to define articles it is not a location but it is listed as a collection of items. Thus it is not a location and uh, yes I have heard of an unmarked location. I'm not as stupid as you imply. An unmarked location is a location without a marker on the Pip-Boy. And from now on, please do not talk down to me or anyone else, it is rude to say the least.--Kingclyde 21:37, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not going to spend my time sifting through policy to find one line about the GECK. The GECK is the construction tools used to create the game. In it contains all of the NPC, item, quest information, triggers, textures, weapons characteristics and various other items needed to make the game function. It disassembles the games files and presents all of the coding for the game into a easy to read and easy to use format. If we did not use the GECK we would not have all of the information that we have. The weapons boxes would be limited to one or two lines and all of the various other useful information would be gone. Just because something may or may not be listed in policy does not make it a rule. This is a wiki, not the US tax code. Rules are usually guidelines and that's it. I understand your wish for rules but really if I need to do something as an admin such as banning someone for inserting the "n-word" or something like that, I should not have to quote a specific line in order to block them for a few days. Stuff like that falls under the "guideline" of vandalism. Thanks!--Kingclyde 21:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
"I am contesting your edit, which you have supported by citing a policy you are unable or unwilling to look for." I already mentioned policy regarding the article content, that should be enough by itself but you seem to continue to argue with everyone here. Especially admins. I, like I said am not going to spend my time to satisfy a curiosity of yours. My job here is to edit articles and help the wiki, not spend my time arguing with someone who won't listen to anything anyone says.--Kingclyde 22:06, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
The location isn't signification enough both in-game or in real life to warrant a dedicated page. Secondly the coaster is actually part of the Bison Steve Hotel and not a separate location. As that page already exists and contains information on the page about the coaster, there is no need to duplicate the very limited information in another. And I have to agree with Kingclyde. All I see you doing is picking arguments with Admins and not being constructive about it. It comes across as someone who is trying to provoke a situation, especially considering past statements made on the forum about Admin policy. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 22:13, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
You may not feel like you are, but it does come across this way more often than not in your dealing with others and your responses. Remember it isn't what you say but how you say it, while Tag comes across most times as being rude which can cause conflict, you do come across to others as being antagonistic. I am not saying that I am perfect either, but this is just my observation.
But I understand your frustration of having edits reverted or changed, but this is the nature of this wiki. Some things just have to be accepted to be able to move on and continue (trust me, I have been there). User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:58, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Game and add-on pages

Nope, there is no guidelines on the matter. At the moment there is a lot still without guide lines that need to be discussed and created. Example would be the current non-named character discussion in the forum. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:58, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Old World Blues header

Because it's better to have something than nothing, and the something that was added was added by a more experienced user than you. Someone who has been around longer and knows better than you what is and is not appropriate in such a situation. When the proper image becomes available, then it will replace the concept art. --Kris User Hola.jpg 13:46, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to myself, I was referring to Jspoelstra as the more experienced user. Sorry for the confusion on that regard. As far as the content of the image itself, I trust Jspoelstra to put an appropriate image there. --Kris User Hola.jpg 15:05, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ausir talk page

Hello Lugiatm

I reply on your message in Ausir talk page. Feel free to take a look there. Itachou [~talk~] 21:16, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Come fly with me

Why did you put a dog's picture (is it your dog) into the come fly with me file!?(Vvardenfell 06:47, June 11, 2011 (UTC))

New Arroyo - Arroyo page

Hello Lugiatm =)

Why did you change the New Arroyo and Arroyo page pragmatically then without even talking to someone? And revert your edit like if nothing had happened? Can I have an explanation? - no sanctions will be taken but I would like an explanation, it is because of this kind of thing I'm afraid of what you can do on The Vault.

And from Jspoelstra, you were right for the "Behind the scenes" section, he has seen more pages than me so I fully trust him - my apologies on that.

While waiting for your message, have a nice day! Itachou [~talk~] 12:09, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

I already see the dicussion, but Ausir give his opinion on this view, and it's the founder of The Vault, it will be difficult to make him change his mind (especially that Ghost doesn't agree with you). But it's not the problem, you didn't edit the page before the discussion is over, that's how it works (and this is not a mistake, it's a voluntary act).
I have nothing against you personally, but this kind of act that is not appropriate here. Just follow the usual protocol, and I don't bother you more my friend =), and if you want to discuss on something with me, I'm still here ready to listen. See you soon! Itachou [~talk~] 12:25, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

When everyone is against you on a idea, particulary the founder, we must know dropped the case. Otherwise, if you want to test something, you have an unlimited number of sandbox where you can make your drafts on anything ;), don't need to edit a real page.

Yes, as always, you act before you ask =) - that is what is wrong. Otherwise it was written in the first message of your talk page. Well now I had my explanation, nothing to say more. See you around my friend! Itachou [~talk~] 12:39, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, thank you for warned me ;). Itachou [~talk~] 15:31, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Haaa stop! New Arroyo is a fan name (checked with Ausir and me), its name is Arroyo and it's never called New Arroyo in-game and out-game =). Arroyo part of NCR is on discussion for now. Itachou [~talk~] 15:53, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, really thanks, because of you and your "New Arroyo", Ausir was confused and rename the page Arroyo (Fallout 2) into Arroyo, destroying all the works with the page, and all your works also! Pretty nice! Itachou [~talk~] 16:08, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Finished, it was for merged the two history. I redone the page and also reput your informations. Itachou [~talk~] 16:25, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Conflict VS War

According to Dictionary.com, a conflict is a disagreement. A war is a series of battles. The NCR & Enclave battled. Trolly Polly Olly 13:32, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thus, a cold war is not a war because there is no fighting in a cold war. Trolly Polly Olly 13:33, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

And when referring to an actual war, War is capitalised. It is a proper noun. It is only decapitalised when referring to war in general. Trolly Polly Olly 13:36, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

According to dictionary.com again, a conflict is a dispute. A war is an conflict between parties where arms are used. Trolly Polly Olly 13:40, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I'll contact an admin to see what they think of the war/conflict situation. Trolly Polly Olly 13:44, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

The Gobi and Yangtze campaigns are official, as proven by the developers, so they are proper nouns. Trolly Polly Olly 13:52, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's proven in-game. Yangtze Memorial, Gobi Campaign scout rifle. Trolly Polly Olly 13:54, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

War vs conflict

I've been following your edits and see you're stirring up the wiki again. You're making major changes (no they are not minor), changing War into conflict, creating new categories, decapitalizing War. Now we may have another forum discussion on our hand which nobody is waiting for. You're all making us work overtime here. Stop with making these kind of changes; now admins and the community have to invest some major time again in your edits being validated. This is really becoming annoying. JspoelJspoel Vault Boy.png 14:00, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


Based weapons say by Josh Sawyer is not "this weapon", just based. Itachou [~talk~] 18:10, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

NCR-Brotherhood War

The page is now locked for page moves, see talk page. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:09, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

C. in dates

Hello Lugiatm ;)

Just for the date, don't add the useless "c." that enlarges the parenthesis for nothing and will not necessary. Nice evening! Itachou [~talk~] 17:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Notable member

A mistake on a page is not a reason for do the same things in another page. Notable member is "Notable member", not all member (mentioned by Porter in the forum). Anyway, Mojave Chapter have not the same number of member of the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel - but I think the section of the Mojave Chapter seems to be reduced, too many members. Sorry for the alphabetization by surname and format of "Rank" and "Surname", I had no choice (choice one by one to over twenty member would have had extremely long). Itachou [~talk~] 18:15, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lonesome Road icon

Where did the image come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GhostAvatar (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Persistent removal of merge templates

I was being sarcastic. And "all but confirmed" isn't good enough on the Vault, but okay then. --User:Cartman!User talk:Cartman! 01:14, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Albert Cole

I have replied to your latest message on the Albert Cole talkpage. I hope I was clear in my reasoning. BILLYOCEAN 04:16, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Honest Hearts

The bug that was added is not a valid bug for the DLC, it IS however a valid bug for ED-E. Just because he cannot start the bug because of a lost and buggy companion doesn't make the DLC buggy. It makes ED-E buggy. Not having a follower is a requirement of the DLC. Losing ED-E or any other companion would have happened if he didn't have the DLC. In the end, what I'm saying is that the bug lies with the companion and not the DLC. If for example he could do the DLC with a companion, than that would be a DLC bug. Thanks.--Kingclyde 09:28, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Some bad editions

Hello Lugiatm.

Well, let me be clear with you. From what I see, you keep your thoughtless action and continue again to harm the community. I have to personally look at your editions all days to see if you have not done anything bad.

  • Where did you see that Albert Cole was the canon Vault Dweller? Is this a joke? A Fallout 1 dev tell you that? The only face of the Vault Dweller we could see are a shaded and an elderly version may be anyone (a fully created character is not one of the three pre-made character - nobody ever said that one of three pre-created character was necessarily the Vault Dweller).
  • All pre-made character doesn't exist, it's just a pre-made personnality for "your" character.
  • As we have already tell you with me and Ausir, present changed from game to game. Why did you remove the date of birth of Owyn Lyons to put his age (which changes depending on future games), in addition to removing the reference to it. Also, why did you put the Smuggler's End in his inventory? It's a false information, a quick look on that page you will show that this weapon is not on him but in his pivate safe. Also, why you remove all dates in Owyn Lyons page? How can situated the character's life if he has no longer dates?

All these bad editions have nothing to do on The Vault. Contributors, admins, bureaucrats don't have to be behind you to correct your edits. This is my last warning, one more bad editions and you will be banned for 3 days, and if you continue even after that, the ban time will increase each time, you are warned. Nice day. Itachou [~talk~] 15:09, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Start a discussion on nothing is a waste of time for everyone and should not be encouraged. I remove your edition of Owyn Lyons because I did not want to spend one hour or two to correct your mistakes. I do the same for all contributors if there were so many mistakes, it's up to you to take over and remake the page without the mistakes if it is not suitable, not always me or anyone.
Bad is when you create unnecessary and many debates, put false information (Based weapons on weapon pages, Smuggler's End in Owyn Lyons' inventory), and remove information that must be kept (like dates of Owyn Lyons page). It's my duty to keep an eye on vandals and people made bad edits and generates numerous conflicts with the community. Now, like I say, you are warned, don't do pragmatical edits or anything bad for the moment that's all. Itachou [~talk~] 16:42, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Reviewing a contributors edits is not harassment, it is good practise (especially when there are dubious edits) and the reason why it is open to public view. So don't even think to take that line. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Not this again. The admins are doing their job and are the faces of this community. They are the best editors here, the reason why they are in the position they are in. Take the hint from them and do as they say. Trolly Polly Olly 19:45, June 18, 2011 (UTC)


It is clear to me that you are the user Flower of Pock-Lips.

  1. You started this account the day Pock-Lips was banned.
  2. You have the same habit of marking all your edits "minor."
  3. You have the same penchant for making large-scale edits to important canon-sensitive pages without community discussion, consensus or support.
  4. You object to reverts of your work with the same arguments as Pock-Lips did.

Goodbye.--Gothemasticator 20:31, June 18, 2011 (UTC)