Talk: SaintPain

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“*May each day find you Happier, Healthier & a wee bit wiser.”

→ Saint Pain

Please be sure to sign your posts so I know to whom I should reply.

Huzzah!

Congrats on your 'saviour of the damned' badge Pain! -- GOTW ^{User | Talk} 01:41, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Nicely done! Richie9999 (talk) 01:44, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

I knew you could do it. Finally you can relax a bit instead of having to worry about making an edit every day. Send a post top Agent c and he will mention it in his news digest if you want it. Congratulations! Jspoel

14:52, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

My my, it is certainly quite a distribution of your dedication. Nicely done. Energy X 16:12, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, and I know what you mean. It can be difficult. I missed one once when I was on around 270 days. That was real annoying! See ya around Pain! -- GOTW ^{User | Talk} 14:15, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

On the Same Wavelength

Hey SP, I thought I'd let you know that I removed your gallery addition to the on the same wavelength page and I thought I'd let you know why. I removed 'em as I figured having two images of magazines that, while rewards to that quest aren't very special otherwise was unnecessary. Richie9999 (talk) 19:11, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

On a roll

What can I say, sometimes I feel like a bulk edit. The audio project is a lot of effort, sometimes I just like to blast out a large amount of edits quickly. Can't do that with the project. :P
JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 02:19, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to join in the audio project if you want, I'll talk you through it a bit tomorrow as it's late here and I'm off to bed. We need all the help we can get, so you're welcome to join in.

JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"

02:36, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

You're going to need to extract the files. If you get a program called "Fallout Mod Manager" and open it (you'll be asked if you want to open Fallout 3 or New Vegas, either is fine. A prompt will pop up, clicking yes or no is fine, I usually say no.) then click on "tools" in the top bar and chose BSA browser. Click "open" and then chose "Voices 1". Wait for it all to load up in the window and then click "extract all".

Once it has extracted you can access the files all you want. You'll need a player that can work .ogg files (I use VLC player). The folders are organized by voice actor. The naming system is a little complex and difficult to grasp some of the time, but you should be able to figure it out for the most part.

There are other ways to access the files, using the GECK for example, but I don't know this system. If you'd rather use it (from what I've heard it's much easier to use anyway.

I don't know how to get to the Fallouts 1, 2 and tactics files myself, but if you asked Scarface I'm sure he;d be able to tell you.

Once you have the files, and find the ones matching the written quotes on the wiki you just need to uploaded them. Sometimes you may need to trim the file (if the quote is "hello there" and the audio says "hey. hello there" you'll need to cut off the "hey"). You can use most sound editing programs to do this, I use Audacity. You may also need to piece together a couple of files, if the on-wiki quote is longer than the audio file (if the on wiki quote says "hello there, courier. My name is Arcade" and the audio files are split in to two, one saying "hello there, courier" and the other saying "my name is Arcade", you'll just need to stick them in to one file) again, most sound editing programs can do this.

You'll also need to put them in to the correct categories, so add [[Category:<fallout game> audio dialogs]] to the summery when you upload.

When uploading to the wiki, make sure you stick to the naming convetion of "File:<game abbreviation><NPC name><few words from the quote>".ogg" for example; "File:NVArcadeGannonHelloThere.ogg" or "File:FNV Arcade Gannon Hello There.ogg".

When you add to a page you'll need to use two templates;

When the quote is at the top of the page uses [[File:<file name>.ogg|noicon|135px|center]] (for example [[File:NVArcadeGannonHelloThere.ogg|noicon|135px|center]]
When the file is in the notable quotes section you use {{Inline quote|<quote>|sound=<filename>.ogg}(for example <nowiki> {{Inline quote|Hello there, courier, my name is Arcaded|sound=NVArcadeGannonHelloThere.ogg}}

If my explanation was a bit confusing, you should be able to work it out for yourself by looking at previously done pages.

Once you've uploaded all quotes on a character's page, don't forget to tick it off on the project page tables (tick and sign the first two columns if you feel you have done them correctly, someone will fill in the last two).

JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?"

20:49, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Page Edits

I've noticed that many of your edits are grammatically incorrect, contain incorrect spelling, and sometimes contain unneeded/unnecessary information. Don't take this the wrong way; it's great whenever anyone adds info to articles, provided that it's correct; however, it isn't so great if the spelling, syntax, or grammar has to be changed so many times, like it is in your case. A few minutes on Google to check your grammar saves others from having to correct your edits. I know this sounds very dry, but I'm only trying to help, for your edits would be so much more helpful if they were grammatically correct more of the time. 69.125.134.190 03:47, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Since you're not interested in my advise, I'm just going to revert your incorrect edits. If you want to put them back, put them back correctly. 69.125.134.190 06:15, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

I've been given a name already, and I've already earned respect. I apologize if I've upset you by correcting your edits; however, I wished only to improve the content of articles on this wiki. 69.125.134.190 06:50, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

To be fair, you've done a great job correcting a lot of the first-person in some articles. 69.125.134.190 06:52, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Before I leave for the night, I again just want to apologize for offending you. And by the way, I'm not a stalker. I saw your edits begging reverted when I checked the recent wiki activity, and I looked into it. From there, I realized that some of your edits had problems, but like I said before, there were a lot of your edits that helped eliminate first-person in articles. And, if you were begging completely serious on my talk page, I do respect your immense efforts for edits. Obviously, I only looked at more recent ones because I saw that they were getting reverted, but it seems like you put a lot of effort into editing the pages, and that counts a lot. Lastly, I actually enjoy the "anonymity" because it removes any focus from myself and puts more onto the information I'm putting into this wiki because at the end of the day, the content and information is what matters which is why I even contacted you in the first place. 69.125.134.190 07:48, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Me?

Hah. Of course not. They're cybernetic implants. I've been improved... 11:18, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

One can never be too thoroughly careful in exterminating what is human, and what is not human.

11:33, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Anon problem

It doesn't happen often here, but this anonymous user has earned a name by now and is considered a trusted user. You can check his talkpage to see some of his history. If he doesn't want to create an account he doesn't have to. Personally if would have left your comment on my talkpage but I can understand why he removed it because he read it as sort of an insult ("you do not care enough to be remembered", "you are just random code unworthy of the respect I have shown"). Let's see this as an incident and learning experience both ways and move on. Jspoel 13:41, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

The Courier vs Courier

Hey SP, just to let you know the link for the courier redirects to Courier. Please try to link straight to the Courier's page as opposed to the redirect. Thanks! Richie9999 (talk) 06:20, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sulik

Dont worry, I didn't take it that way. Agent c (talk) 21:53, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Janaschi

Happy you approve. ;) Keep an eye out on the P&P RPG that I'll be releasing within the next couple of months. Janaschi will be one of the pre-made playable characters that can be chosen from. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 22:43, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Featured articles

Hey SaintPain. The first step of our featured articles process is to assess the articles already in the rotation. The list can be found here. Please assess the articles in the rotation, based on the criteria here as well as any objective personal criteria. Please suggest additions/revisions to the criteria by posting in the section labelled "comments/suggestions" on the page. If you believe an article is in good standing and should qualify to be a featured article, please insert {{Yes}} ~~~ in the corresponding box in the third column. Users who are not the first to assess a particular article should use <br /> to allow a line break between assessments/signatures. Similarly, use {{No}} ~~~ to indicate disapproval of an article, and {{Neutral}} ~~~ if you cannot decide either way. There are 365 articles to review, so please take your time, but looking over a few each day should provide us with quick progress. --Skire (talk) 01:20, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Of course. Assess as you see fit and to the best of your abilities. The criteria is just a guideline, but ultimately the question to be answered is, "Should this article qualify to be a featured article on Nukapedia?" --Skire (talk) 15:52, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Perfect. That's exactly what we need to do. --Skire (talk) 17:44, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Do You Mind

Can you try a little harder to be grammatically correct while editing? This isn't your best, and it's not fun cleaning up after you. 69.l25 (talk) 05:15, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm cleaning up because I care about the content being put into articles. You can't just invent spellings of words and sprinkle in commas whenever you want. "Nore" and "reponce" for example are not words. 69.125.134.190 19:57, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Saint, go easy on 69I25. He doesn't know of your (dyslexia) history and responds (in a friendly way) like for example I have done in the past. It seems that you consider him a new user and you have less tolerance for his remarks than mine. I understand these grammar remarks are getting to you by now, but it does require others to doublecheck and cause extra work, which we'd rather not do. Past few days I browsed your edits too, but I know you do your best so I tend to let it go. I expect you can see things from our side too. Jspoel

22:43, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify Saint... anon 69 did indeed create an account. He's no longer an anon. His account name just happens to comprise of numbers is all.

^{Some Assembly Required!} 23:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

(←) He's not an anonymous user anymore, he has made and account now. 69.125.134.190 is now known as 69.l25. That can be a bit confusing because this accountname is very similar to the anonymous account but it is a regular one. So he is a full fledged member now of our community, and a skilled one too. He's made a name for himself, most people know him and refer to him as the GeckAnon. He was just looking out for our content with that post he sent you. Jspoel 23:29, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I again apologize for offending you. As you have never informed me, I was unaware that you have dyslexia, and I was unaware that I was angering you to this degree. I just want the content to be better from you. You've made a lot of edits, and you continue to flourish with effort, but this is easily overshadowed by grammatical mistakes. I hope you understand that it isn't personal. I don't hate you, nor do I think you're a terrible person.

As I've said before, my main focus is content, and I try my best to have correct content put into this wiki. When I saw many grammatical errors were attributed to you, I figured I'd maybe just try to get you to be a little more aware of your edits. Obviously, you didn't take this too well, and I'm very sorry that what I said has offended you.

I'm not the only guilty one here. You responded to the first message I sent you in "Page Edits" with some rather hurtful comments, so please understand that I am offended by you contacting the admins as though you were unjustly victimized.

In the end, I don't mean to bother you, and I'm very sorry that I've hurt you, but neither one of us is innocent. I won't contact you if you put in extra time to double check your edits. That's really the only solution. 69.125.134.190 02:16, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Second person

Hey Sp. Just thought I'd drop you a note to let you know that second person in the Bugs section of articles is allowed as it allows for the content to be more easily understood and stuff. Richie9999 (talk) 01:22, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

I don't mean to raise a conflict, I simply wished to inform you that the policy regarding perspective included in it a section regarding notable exceptions which includes Bugs sections, In-game quotes/Developer commentary, and Transcripts. Which can be found here: Fallout Wiki:Editing guideline#Perspective. I get what you were saying about wanting to make the articles uniform and such but I thought I'd pass along this bit of info, if it weren't part of the policy I never would have brought it up. Richie9999 (talk) 02:32, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Featured articles

We don't have to improve articles so they meet the criteria. It is however encouraged if the article is only lacking or substandard in one simple area that can easily be fixed. Also, consider the very subject of an article and whether it would interesting for a featured article. We should have everyone vote on every page at the end. You're doing great work, keep it up! =) --Skire (talk) 14:28, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Memes

Uhm, Saint... this is your character, isn't it? ^{Some Assembly Required!} 19:05, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I got them to take your image down. It was the one where you had an auto-ax over the corpse from your user-page. Unfortunately, it seems like they only temporarily hid the image, and deleted my posts and blocked me from their page. I reported them, but you might want to send them a message yourself since it was your art they had stolen.

^{Some Assembly Required!} 19:32, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing. That was my main issue, is that they were saying that they were the ones to take that image, and that the character was theirs.

^{Some Assembly Required!} 21:19, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

So now I can stalk you? ;D

^{Some Assembly Required!} 22:04, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Springvale Boss

I know I'm sounding kind of lawyer-ish, and I apologize; however the character is an in-game NPC that appears in Fallout 3. I did not just take the notes and make my own character. If you wish to withdraw your objections to the page, please let me know. I'm getting tired, so I don't really want to hang around my computer for too much longer, so I'm sorry if I'm acting too hastily. 69.125.134.190 04:03, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the response. I know I have offended you in the past, so it means something that you put that aside.

The character does appear in the game. It's not fluff, it's fact. The images I used are from the G.E.C.K.. The note has been covered, but the leader really has not. 69.125.134.190 04:28, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

You're arguing against facts. The character appears in-game. I'm not simply pulling everything from a note. 69.125.134.190 04:36, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Just to add in here. Pain, there is an NPC with the GECK ID "SprinvaleElemBoss" that does spawn within the Springvale school. The boss is not just mentioned in the terminal. Here's an image for convenience. Paladin117^{>>iff bored;} 04:52, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Just tell y'alls good buddy it it a free pass.

If he can post this weak crap he has a free pass.. So fine.

Tell him to make all the pages he wants with 2 or 3 words that may or may not already appear he can do what ever he wants.. Have fun with that. I am done trying to get justice. His pages are off limmits he is a special member.

SaintPain→ Just here to help." 05:02, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

What justice? Please tell me. Your opinion deserves to be expressed so long as you recognize that this as an in-game NPC. The stats, daily schedule, and images, among other info, do not "already appear". 69.125.134.190 05:08, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't solve anything. I do not have a free pass. You have the right to protest that article, but you also have the right to admit that you were wrong. Face it. It appears in game, has a unique ID and inventory, background information, and other unique attributes. There's no shame in apologizing. I'm sorry if you feel I've wasted time. Are you? 69.125.134.190 05:21, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

A: The character appears in-game. He or she is simply called "raider". This is a fact.

B: Even if it did not appear in game, it would be worth mention on a mentioned only character page such as Cheryl, Myles, Henry, Emmet, Kaya, and Boppo. All of these characters are already covered in note/quest pages but have their own page anyway. No, it would not just be a note. 69.l25 (talk) 15:28, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

GECK

Hey there Pain. I've noticed that you are having an issue with user 69.125.134.190 concerning a page that is valid in the GECK. I noticed your comments on the talk page of the article I assume this is about "GECK DLC is note worthy but no more than that" and "DAMN IT MAN.. The GECK DLC is NOT not NOT in the game" on his user page. I just want to explain to you what the G.E.C.K. is and is not. Yes you do download the G.E.C.K. separately from the game but it is not downloadable content (DLC). DLC's are in-game content. What the G.E.C.K. is is the toolkit that is used to view and edit the game engine for Fallout 3 and Fallout NV. Almost every bit of game mechanics is accessible in that toolkit. Mod makers use it. The developers made it first before the game and now we use it for the wiki. Now onto the next part of why I'm here. I understand that sometimes you may get frustrated (we all can) but the way you ended up saying things like "It would serve your reputation well to remove it your self." and then having the conversation further devolve into stuff like "I am not paid to be here. I will not let one individual ruin my play time. I am tired of this lawyer crap. Enjoy the Free Pass. I have nothing more to say. YOU win." when he or she did not say anything on your talk page that I could find that would upset you. All I ask for is for some tact. This person even though they are an anon is a good user and very active. Thanks Pain.--Kingclyde (talk) 09:51, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Saint, this user is creating some good pages and adding content I haven't seen in months. He's showing good insight and even competing with me for good images (I haven't seen that since GhostAvatar and that has quite been a while). He's also active which is a commodity these days, good with the GECK as we all by now and is responding proper and kindly. We should all be pleased with such a user. I concur with Clyde's state of showing some tact in your responses to him. Jspoel

15:43, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Player character

Don't just replace "you" with Lone Wanderer/Courier, put more time and thought reworking the sentence so it runs smooth. Two or three times player character in a sentence doesn't read well and actually makes the content worse in my opinion. Jspoel 19:49, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Gourmand of the Apocalypse

Still interested? If you are, here's the basic format that you can work off of. I'm going to try and have a release by either tomorrow or Thursday, so let me know if you need more time or not. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 21:56, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Gourmand of the Apocalypse

Welcome to the Gourmand of the Apocalypse, a collaborative effort between the Strategic Nuclear Moose's patrons and the citizens out Nukapedia way to help bring you the knowledge to prepare extraordinary dishes with such ordinary ease, out of simple wasteland ingredients that would commonly be overlooked as unfit for eating. So are you tired of eating raw mole-rat and bloatfly meat? Tired of having to risk your life hunting mirelurks just for the chance to eat something that won't come back up moments later? The Gourmand of the Apocalypse might just be the perfect place for you to visit.

Welcome to the Gourmand

Screenshot gallery

Polls

Coming soon!

Sounds like a plan. I'll go ahead and get a Gizmo's Workshop running for this week, and I'll add you in for next week's release. As for the video section, you don't have to participate. That's just there in-case someone has the resources to film themselves making their recipes. Have fun! ^{Some Assembly Required!} 03:10, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Mama Dolce's

You're sniper image wasn't that bad, but unfortunately those two glitches made it worse. Try to keep that in mind with future images and it will be ok. Jspoel 17:02, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the helping me out. Now I won't look like an idiot while on my talk page. This is now officially Psyduck Approved! AOMRocks20 04:46, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Graham and God

It's quite obvious that Graham worships God (the Judeo-Christian deity) (he is quoted saying "We have made and kept covenants with our Lord, God, to honor his laws. In exchange, we are promised eternal salvation after this life."). Saying "the Judeo-Christian deity" is awkward pussy footing around the issue. It isn't religiously intolerant to say he worships God (in fact, if someone is so offended by the fact that a fictional character worships a different god than them, they have the problem, not us). To Joshua Graham, God is the one true Lord and Savior and that's all we need to convey to readers. This isn't an argument of religion; it's an argument of clarity. --Kastera ^(talk) 15:28, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Katrina

That's stupidity at it's best right there. Why not allow the Armed Forces to keep peoples possessions from being stolen? I remember that it was a very bad problem. I'm sure the FEMA guys had truckloads of stolen keepsakes...bastards. FEMA fu@ked up big time with Katrina. I dearly hope they have learned from their mistakes, or someone else will have to pay for them. I remember one hot day where a helicopter circled over the house, and then landed in one of my family's fields. They had asked us if this was the church, but apparently they had been given the wrong coordinates. They stayed a little while, and even came back again a few days later and let us take a picture. A lot of my memories of Katrina were of the "I wish it had never happened" variety, but that was one of the interesting ones.Leea (talk) 17:18, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't personally affected by FEMA's dumb ideas, but we would turn on the generator almost every night and see the stupidity of their ideas at work on the news. I still see it. On the news they still have every so often about flood insurance, and the (to my mind) ridiculous height that the people (by new FEMA law) on the beach have to put their houses on. 20 foot (sometimes higher) concrete pillars. Even a child would know that the ocean could just come up under that and lift the house away, yet FEMA acts as if it's the "best choice". Pffftt.Leea (talk) 17:45, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

I know a lot of people weren't prepared for that sort of thing (who would have thought it would have been that bad?), but me and my mom and dad had lots of food and barrels and barrels of water. In know that some people just don't know what to do about anything, so they will always need help from someone. Quite honestly, I've been fed so many theories about everything, that I don't think I'll ever be able to believe it if someone says "The worlds gonna end tomorrow!" I guess you could say that I'm jaded about the "worlds-gonna-end-at-this-day, time, etc." stuff. But I do have things on hand if a natural disaster happens(because they are going to happen), and I do have a hoarding problem with lip balm, so I suppose that if the world does "end" like all of the theories say it will, at least I won't have chapped lips =PLeea (talk) 18:34, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

(chuckles) I suppose I could do that if it ever came down to bare threads, but I sort of shudder to think of doing that! I don't think that the tinted stuff would work so well in that regard, or the stuff that has to be painted on...=DLeea (talk) 19:09, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

No no. I meant the lip gloss. I don't think it would work so well as a candle. It mainly comes in a...I don't really know what texture to call it...liquid?...Gel?...Paste? It wouldn't work as a candle...:PLeea (talk) 19:51, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

GotW

Just put it in a sandbox and leave me a link. I'll have the Moose ready tonight. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:43, July 24, 2013 (UTC)