Talk: Jspoelstra

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Continued botwork

Hi J. I just want to let you know that I have resumed the bot in making those changes. If you have any other fixes in mind, please let me know as I am going through all the articles by a category structure by game. --Skire (talk) 21:49, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've added those to the programming. I'm currently doing a few test edits to make sure everything's set. --Skire (talk) 23:25, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

I have added your other job (tag skills parameter) to the programming and I've been re-running a few of the categories to make those changes. Skire bot (talk) 00:09, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm now using the list of pages that have {{Infobox character}} on them, so we can catch all the Tag Skills fixes (which I think are the more important task), but also since you mentioned that there were a lot of <br>'s that needed to be changed on character pages as well. The queue is currently around 3500 pages, so the bot will be quite busy for a long time =) --Skire (talk) 00:46, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

Hi, Jspoelstra! Theodorico is here. I'm planning to start editing at the russian wiki, so I need to settle one administrative matter, concerning my former accounts ( User:Theodorico and User:TheodoricoBot ). I've "lost" passwords and I can't use/deactivate them, so they are stuck. Strictly speaking, they are my sockpuppets and I'd be grateful, if you could deal with them at your discretion. Thanks in advance. --85.141.139.156 00:12, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

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NMA, TV, TFW

You're a pretty neutral and collected guy - I'd love it if you sent them a message about this. I know that I plan on talking with them about this and seeing what we can do about that unflattering piece. Not sure if you've read my responses to Eden, but they haven't even answered me back for my original messages to them before they posted that article. So we'll see where this goes after I can get into official contact with them all. I'm hoping their Vault bias doesn't blind them enough not to see the potential that Nukapedia has, which is seemingly growing by the week in comparison to just about every other Fallout community. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 12:36, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Message was sent out in the form of private messages to Odin, Brother None, and WorstUsernameEver:
"Hello! My name is Leon, and I am an Administrator at Nukapedia. With news over Fallout being pretty dried up as of late, we at Nukapedia have managed to become presented with some very unique opportunities to get an in-depth view into those behind the Fallout vision, as well as what's to possibly come with the next title. We were wondering if you'd be interested in covering our stories, as well, along with us possibly beginning a mutual relationship between our two communities. If you're interested, we have come across some good fortune in the form of personal interviews between our community, and those such as Erik Dellums, and even Mr. Chris Avellone. For your convenience:

• Interview with Nukapedia, Wikia, and MCA - http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Agent_c/Nukapedia_News_Digest_-_4_May_2013
• Interview with Erik Dellums - http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Agent_c/Agent_c_talks_to_Erik_Dellums

We would love to hear back from you over your thoughts on these matters!" ^{Some Assembly Required!} 12:49, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sock-puppet.

This has nothing to do with Nukapedia, but I was wondering if you could use your check user rights to determine whether two users over Wikia are the same people or not.

• Hadron12
• Knight of Camlorn

^{Some Assembly Required!} 17:10, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

It was just an experiment I was conducting, anyways. :) Sorry to waste your time. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 17:20, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

CSS to look at

Hey, J, I had a suggestion from User:Pecoes to add a slightly different hue every other line on long tables to break up the look and make them less a strain to read. I've applied his fix as a separate class, va-table-shaded to look at it. You can see it on Fallout:_New_Vegas_perks, one of the pages he sited as a problem. We can't use it on all tables, since it will interfere with highlighting (e.g. Fallout 3 weapons), but I thought we'd look at it and see what we thought. Let me know if you think it helps or hurts table reading. The Gunny   00:55, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops

That was a slip up, I've been keeping the text the way it was before, just forgot to do it on that one. My Bad. ---bleep196- (talk) 15:23, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hey Js, I am at the point where I'm moving from Fallout Dialogue files to Fallout 2 and I'm noticing that the title pages of the articles aren't in all caps like the Fallout ones. Is there a reason for this inconsistency? ---bleep196- (talk) 16:47, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Good Idea. ---bleep196- (talk) 16:52, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

I've scrolled through virtually all of Ausirs talk page Archives and there is nothing to address the names of the Dialogue files themselves besides a user suggestion to simplify the names to the major characters mentioned in the file. I'm guessing that the person who suggested this started and then never finished this process. I am going to double check the game files to see whether or not the titles are in all caps. ---bleep196- (talk) 17:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reply

-shrugs- He essentially said that NMA has no problem with Nukapedia, and that while he understands if the article seemed negative, that his editorial style is always snarky. So I'm guessing he's not going to change anything, even though I went through pains to point out errors in his article such as Nukapedia being under the radar. That, and he said that NMA doesn't talk about 3-Dog since the majority of the Fallout community hates him. Seemed like a bias thing to say, but meh. Anyways, all of that is a bit shoddy, but what are we to do? I also discussed with him about reviving our previous relationship, but he claimed that NMA has never had such a relationship with either Nukapedia, or The Vault. I pointed out when Tagaziel changed our linkage to The Vault's, and he sort of side-stepped that by mentioning it can get a bit murky having an Admin/Mod within both communities. However, I did get one good result out of that: He added Nukapedia as a 'Resource' on NMA, right next to The Vault. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 16:58, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Clearing disambiguation page

Checked in today and for the most part it looks like most of the stuff left on Special:Disambiguations is either .MSG files or appropriate redirects to disambig. pages. However, it says on the page that it is limited to only 1,000 entries, so it's possible that there are more links that need cleaned but won't show up. Can this page be set up to at least filter out the .MSG files? I don't know how the legitimate redirects that we don't care about anymore could be removed, though. And BTW, one page I ran across today was "Tracker's Shack" that just redirects to "Trapper's shack". I suppose it was thought that someone might type "Tracker" when they were looking for "Trapper" but I'm not sure how often that really happens. I guess I would nominate that page for deletion, although I suppose it's not really a big deal. --FFIX (talk) 21:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm noticing something else on that page. Some articles are on that page because they have a navbox that links to a disambig. In most cases, the navboxes have been cleaned up, but the articles containing them still seem to appear on the list. I assume that this is because the articles themselves have not been edited, thus the script does not re-analyze them to see if they should stay on the list? An example is Vertibird, which the page shows linking to Kevin and Cook. The Vertibird article actually contains neither of these, but it does contain the Enclave navbox, which did contain them before the cleanup effort was started. This navbox has since been cleaned up, but many articles are still flagged because of it (and a few other navboxes). Can the script re-analyze all the articles, including those that haven't changed, to get these entries off of it? --FFIX (talk) 20:48, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

OK, since you edited the Enclave navbox again, I decided to look for a page with a different navbox. I found Outcast outpost, which is on there due to the Operation: Anchorage navbox. I'll check back tomorrow and see if that one is off the list. --FFIX (talk) 21:29, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Np

Happy to help, and sorry on the Patrolmen message page. I figured it would be lower case 'kill him?', didn't know it was original text. Apologies. 11:49, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

S.O.R.-1000

Hey Js, I'm currently fixing the links on the B.O.M.B. design documents and I noticed that the S.O.R.-1000 bots are all the same except for the tasks that they have been assigned. Is there any particular reason why they are separated into 4 pages other than for names sake? ---bleep196- (talk) 17:28, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Charts

Thanks a lot for the compliments. That chart did take a long time. I still feel like it could use some work however, mostly just the box sizes. I'm glad I got the GECK though, it's been a big help during this work. Paladin117^{>>iff bored;} 21:21, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

You know, I read the prima guide once and I think I remember that... Some of these charts really are long though, good thing they can be collapsed. Paladin117^{>>iff bored;} 21:48, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Game Guides

For Journey, I've got him just working through the Fallout quest page to keep it simple; he's a bit nervous/inexpereinced, and there's not too many actual quests on the page so they should all be done pretty quick; all the categories will go up in one lot so the order doesnt matter much. The Main questline for the other games I'm going to handle them directly as I need to make sure they appear in game order rather than alphabetical. Agent c (talk) 21:26, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Bot

The bot has already been running this job series for awhile now. As we speak, it is still running the characters pages (around 1400 pages in the queue now). I can add the list of pages that link to the infobox person template to the list. You can decide which ones the bot should tackle first. --Skire (talk) 00:11, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. And as a friend once said, "Bots don't sweat." =) --Skire (talk) 00:23, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, that job has been completed. Is there any else you need done? --Skire (talk) 01:12, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Roger that. It's working as we speak. --Skire (talk) 21:31, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Disambigs

Hey J. I'm looking at the disambiguations page and I can't find some of the links on those pages. Am I doing something wrong? --Skire (talk) 16:19, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Alright. I'll try to get cracking on those after I finish some more bot work. I can start backwards from Z. --Skire (talk) 20:14, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good

It's shame we don't have enough space for the other two add-ons. I can't see any way to add them without the tabs wrapping to a second line, which looks like poopy. The Gunny   18:09, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

,

Heyo~ Sorry to bother you. I just have a quick question. Fallout Wiki:Editing guideline 1.4 - "Articles should generally be written in present tense." Does 'generally' mean 'always' in this case? Many of the Fallout Tactics articles were using a mix of past and present tense so I chose to keep everything tidy by making it all past tense. Another user told me that using past tense was incorrect. Fallout Tactics happened eighty-five years ago according to the Timeline so I think it would make sense to use past tense on Fallout Tactics articles. Another question. Can past tense be used on character articles if that character has died? I'm just really confused about this because I think that it would make sense to use past tense were it's appropriate instead of being required to use present tense when talking about something that happened in the past. Sorry, that wasn't really as quick as I thought it was going to be. Luvere (talk) 18:34, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, if I find more pages using a mix of past and present tense I'll change it all to present. According to the page (FW:EDIT), anything that happened before 2161 can be written in past tense. Is that correct? Can past tense be used for dead characters such as Dead regulator? Luvere (talk) 23:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Luvere (talk) 19:15, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Chat

Would it be good to insert the <chat/> tag at the Main page? It allows quicker access and more newcomers at chat. Energy X 21:55, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I reckon it's oK. There already is a direct link to chat in the nav menu that shows on page load. The only thing I don't like, and it's not the chat module in specific, is that the right column is getting quite a bit longer than the main (left) column. I also want to make sure that the news feed shows on page load whenever we start to get any new game news. Maybe we could balance the columns by moving the news feed to the left? The Gunny   01:50, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Funny, I just came to the same conclusion. I was playing with it in my sandbox, didn't like the news in the left column because of all the extra crap showing and decided that we needed to shorten the summary, too. I'm good with it now. Even with that 600px long add we have on the front page now, it looks better. The Gunny   02:04, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure they'll iron that out. Porter looks like he's gonna have time next week to work on some of that stuff for them. Good to see he's not MIA anymore. The Gunny   02:11, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

User rights removal

Howdy, J. The user rights removal process says:"In the event that an administrator or moderator has been inactive for an extended period of time, they will have their user rights removed by the bureaucrats and restored by a community vote upon a return to constructive editing." What we've been doing is leaving a message on the person's talk page to ask their intentions. The rule doesn't really leave us that wiggle room, it just says their rights will be removed. How should we handle this when we leave the message after a user has been inactive for 9 months, yet they say they intend to still use their rights? Does leaving the return message count as an "edit", resetting the clock for another 9 months? Or should we just enforce the letter of the rule and remove the rights without asking their intentions? I'm also leaving this for Clyde. Let me know what you think. The Gunny   17:52, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have Ghost's email. I can leave a talk page message, but he's not logging in anymore. If you or Clyde have his email, maybe we can contact him that way. The Gunny   01:43, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

On this subject, don't forget to remove mine J. I always said I wanted to start again when I got back :) 213.121.232.116 19:37, May 14, 2013 (UTC) (Ci)

Its cool how you got that because I didn't in my game 65.130.195.107 20:40, May 13, 2013 (UTC)kate

Where did you find that? Can you please tell me? 65.130.195.107 20:43, May 13, 2013 (UTC)kate

C

Where did you find that? Can you please tell me? 65.130.195.107 20:47, May 13, 2013 (UTC)kate

Link

'Resources.' ^{Some Assembly Required!} 22:54, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox error

I made an edit to Big Circle to get it off the disambig. page. I only changed one link, but when I saved it, I saw several "Expression error: Unexpected < operator" errors. I decided to revert my edit, but the error stayed. I found that if I went into edit and deleted the infobox, then previewed the changes, the error went away. There are several "<br />" tags in the infobox, but it doesn't help to remove them, only the entire infobox. I then went into a few other pages with infoboxes and previewed edits in them (even without making any changes) and saw the same error. Has something changed to start causing these errors? --FFIX (talk) 11:41, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes are borked

Hey, Jspoel, the infoboxes are borked. Every page I've visited features this error "Expression error: Unexpected < operator.". Often times the images in these infoboxes are huge. Richie9999 (talk) 14:10, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Weird Expression Error

Hey Js, there is a weird expression error popping up on my user page, and I can't figure out what is causing it. Any Ideas what is causing it to show up? ---bleep196- (talk) 16:22, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ah ok. Hope they fix it fast, the stretching of the infobox images is an eyesore. ---bleep196- (talk) 16:30, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

I think you're probably right about the update. They messed with files a bunch. I sent a Special:Contact bug report, didn't know if you did too, but I would like them to fix this fast. I checked over at CC, and no reports by anyone else I could find. Waiting to hear from them. The Gunny   20:31, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

That's a very complicated series of templates. The images are actually brought in through {{Infobox/aux3}}, but a number of variables are passed to that through the main infobox template. It's got to be something related to changes they made in the file system. Perhaps point them to aux3? The Gunny   22:23, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Stripe

Why did you undo that Stripe looks like a generic Gremlin in the Behind the Scenes section? Stripe was characterized by keeping his white, fuzzy mohawk after his transformation. Going by closest resemblance, Stripe in the game resembles Mohawk from Gremlins II or a generic new batch Gremlin more than Stripe from the first movie. Great Mara (talk) 19:26, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Think this might have gotten buried. Great Mara (talk) 23:25, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Talon Company

Anon 69 has gone through the G.E.C.K. and has come to the conclusion that the group shot on the Talon Company article-page depicts a female model that does not exist, and that the only one that does exist is one Asian model. However, the image was added by Joylock who was known to add legitimate images, along with my remembrance that there were multiple dead female Talon Company mercs in-game. So I loaded up my Fallout 3, and the one in the Corvega factory was Caucasian for me. So I was wondering if you could do one of two things for me:

• Upload screenshots for each of the three dead female Talon Company mercs.
• Go through the G.E.C.K. to determine if the anon is missing anything.

Your help would be appreciated! ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:36, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Errors

Hi J. I've noticed two problems with the site as of late: 1 - the infoboxes are requiring an "image size" parameter, otherwise they are super large and make the infoboxes super large as well. 2 - I don't think the user rights icons are displaying properly. Could this be something wrong with the MW software again? --Skire (talk) 22:34, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

I see your icon as "ADMIN" only, no bureaucrat one. I tried purging the page too. --Skire (talk) 22:40, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

But on another topic, regarding disambiguation pages, should we change the links only for article namespace pages, or others as well? --Skire (talk) 22:49, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. --Skire (talk) 23:04, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Another thing, what should be do about links to We Must Stop Meeting Like This? Some of them refer to the entire series of quests as a whole and not to a specific one of the four. It is even necessary to split them up like this? --Skire (talk) 23:13, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Giant infobox fix

So it would appear that adding the size parameter to the infoboxes fixes them. Shall I start working on that or wait for wikia to fix it? Richie9999 (talk) 22:50, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Fiiiiiiiine : ) Richie9999 (talk) 22:58, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Superhuman Gambit problem

Hi, I just finished editing this page, but I noticed something wrong. The infobox is unusually large and it says "Expression error", I don't know if its a new feature or a big bug, I didn't do anything to the infobox let alone know how to fix this, I think I need some assistance with this one, please. Sector 36 (talk) 13:06, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Giant Infoboxes Continued

It seems that if you edit a page that isn't affected by the errors yet it infects them...I hope wikia fixes this soon, it's obnoxious. ---bleep196- (talk) 16:19, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yep. I am glad that our images are good quality, or else this would be a lot worse. I'm getting close to finishing the Bug charts, I've gotta finish the Items for Fallout 3 and New Vegas then cross check everything with the Bug verification category and make sure I have all the articles with bugs documented in the charts, then we can start taking the project template down off all completed pages. Skire has already volunteered his bot so that we won't have to flood the recent wiki activity with edits. ---bleep196- (talk) 16:28, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

The problems do seem to continue. Just saw the Beyond the Beef article having the same problem. Have you heard anything from wikia?-- ^{A Safe People is a Strong People!} 19:08, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

TC Cont:

Yeah, I went in-game and confirmed that they all used the same models. I told them that they could remove the image, and I asked them if they could do us the kindness of replacing the image with a more proper one. That article-page will be lesser without a group-shot like that, me thinks. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 23:26, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

(Gamepedia/Curse) Vault

Hi J. The Vault was vandalised last night. I have a good faith reason to believe one or more of our regulars may be repsonsible. I was thinking about putting something in the news to indicate that behaviour isn't acceptable. Do you have any objections to me doing this? Agent c (talk) 15:37, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

The chat logs last night are more definitive - its pretty clear who did it. Officially its out of our space, but it doesn't stop me being extremely disappointed in the person involved.

With the showcase, I was waiting for the other 2 to go up, good news is wikia is pushing that up to today, so I'll be running the full thing with all 4 parts here today all going well. Agent c (talk) 16:37, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

TV

Yes, it was me. Between the Vault copying our content, some of the Vault's editors who frequent the chat continuing to act as if we're black sheep and/or unprofessional, and the recent NMA headline more or less downplaying us, I decided to dish a punch back. I'm sick and tired of all the hard work the good folks (especially the work you put in Jspoel) here put into this place on a consistently regular basis not being respected like it should be. They practically rely on us for solid edits over there, and even if they do credit us, it's in poor taste for them to copy/paste our edits and make like a +1 or +10 difference, and still look down on us from their noses as if we do anything but put in damn good quality effort to maintain a superior quality Wiki.

If a situation starts because of it, I'll take full responsibility. No one condoned what I did afaik anyway, it was my personal self who got fed up with being the 'bigger person' and decided to administer a little revenge. That being said, I don't regret what I did, but I will accept any and all consequences that may arise and quickly clarify if and when anyone thinks lower of Nukapedia itself for this, that they should think lower of me. 18:58, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Games app

Fine with me. Good way to advertise the app, since the site looks like crap on mobile without it. I just hate all that extra white space on the left. Any reason why we can't get rid of the "Affiliates" section box? The Wasteland wiki is already linked in "Affiliates" of the bottom portal section. The Gunny   20:18, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox image problem

I've moved all discussion of the infobox template image issue to Forum:Infobox_image_size_problem so the conversation can occur in one place. You can see my recent findings there. The Gunny   17:05, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Return

Hello J, I'm going to be coming back now, at least for the summer. How active I'll be depends on what else I'm doing, and I'm not making any promises, but I've finally finished for the year at uni, and I'll have a monumental amount of time. Aside from that, I think that we might have some information to work with soon, so now is the time! To get me back into it, I wanted to ask you for two things.

1. Could you please delete all the extra pages that I have in my user space. I don't need any of them, and they're just taking up space (an annoying my tidy mind)

2. Until I get back into the swing and know what needs doing myself, can you provide me with information on what needs doing. That way, I can be useful from the start and hopefully get into finding it fun again.

It'll be nice to see you around again ol' buddy :) (maybe this 'new' start will be better than the original one ;) )

-- GOTW ^{User | Talk} 18:32, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Also, this keeps coming up on pages: Expression error: Unexpected < operator -- GOTW ^{User | Talk} 18:40, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Found that one out by myself now, so don't worry. -- GOTW ^{User | Talk} 19:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, all of them, because my user page on the Vault has been wiped, so everything I actually had before like rewards and things are gone, so that bummed me out a bit, so I just want to start again. The Vault is, essentially, just a sad story for me now... I'm pending a name change to, so I'm just starting fresh. Is that alright? I can't do sound bites unfortunately, but I'll take a look at that forum. Wasn't there something with disambigs too? -- GOTW ^{User | Talk} 19:57, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a lot. An original too, that's awesome of you! I honestly didn't think that they would change it so fast, but it's good to be able to start fresh so quick. I'm going to do some editing until I'm tired now, and take a look at expanding those stubs, but I have no assess to a console for a week, so I'll have to do my best for now, and add to them later. If there's anything I got from Itachou, it's writing whole pages. That's always been my bag ;) Thanks again J, perfect welcome back gift :) -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ ^{Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲} 23:21, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the fun's back! And I've found a new pet project in the film. Someone has created them, but not put much effort in, so I'm going to do the bios properly and milk the crap out of it, see how far I can take it. Maybe it'll need a portal by the time I'm done ;) Wooohooo -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ ^{Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲} 00:13, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Wirexia

True, it could be him, but I'd rather not take the chances, especially when it's a removal of all content on the page. Does that sound reasonable? --Skire (talk) 23:16, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Pure Human Vote

Hi J,

Could I trouble you to take a look at Leon's Pure human vote forum.

I have some real concerns on the process and undue scrutiny and conditions that are being placed on votes here... So much so that I think its threatening to deligitimise the vote... It seems to be being steamrollered through.

I appreciate the enthusiasm, and agree with the need for one of the pages... But I think if this sort of scrutiny is going to be applied, then the management, scrutiny and any exclusions need to come from a neutral party - not the proposer.

Thanks, Agent c (talk) 16:18, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

PHV

Nothing personal at all. As long as you don't call anybody a racist and as long as you've read the forums instead of jumping to pre-conceived notions that have been proven wrong with evidence, then all votes are welcome. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 16:26, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Ah my bad. Also, it seems that there is another problem, with the map marker images even adding the 240px doesn't fix the large infobox issue. If wikia can't fix the problem we may have an issue there. ---bleep196- (talk) 18:13, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

That's good news. The Bug charts are finished, so whenever Skire get's his bot programmed the Bug Verification Project tags should be coming down from all pages with completed bug sections. ---bleep196- (talk) 18:23, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Another user (he added his thoughts to the forum) suggested a temp fix Porter used when a Mediawiki upgrade made the extension in question not work. I will add Porter's temp fix to the template today to at least give us some time for Wikia to locate and fix the problem. Not 100% sure the temp fix will work, but it did for Porter. The Gunny   19:26, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. I'll update them. This is only a temp fix that just removed the extension's problem for now. Ideally, the extension problem is fixed and the code gets reverted. The Gunny   20:22, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Unavoidable. The changes I made overwrote the (non-functioning) extension's ability to resize images by forcing the infobox to use the default size on all infoboxes. Everything bigger will size down, everything smaller will size up to the default. No real way around that other than to define the |image size= parameter on those pages. It's only a temp fix until Wikia can figure out the problem. The Gunny   01:30, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Personal film project

Hey J, just a heads up about what I'm doing with the film, so that you (and people who read your messages (yes you there, don't think I wasn't aware of your presence. After all, I am omniscient now)) can have an input before I get under way properly. Basically, although it is somewhat based on Fallout, I don't think it is enough to have the 'Hero' linked to the Vault Dweller page, and think he needs his own page. I also need to create another page for the master, as he plays a different role in the film to a degree, and think he needs a new page, most likely 'Master (film)'. Aside from that, I have questions on what you think is best. Should pages like Techy, be renamed to the longer version in the film treatment, or the version that appears most often? Furthermore, if I am making new pages for characters that appear both in Fallout and the film, should I do the same for locations like the Hub? Finally, if you give me the go ahead to split pages, what should the parenthesis contain? Personally I think 'Example (Fallout film)'.

Thoughts? -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ ^{Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲} 21:28, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Did you see this J? -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ ^{Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲} 18:48, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll only make new pages when crucial (as in they don't appear in FO1), otherwise I will incorporate them in the pages. I warn you now though, these sections will be quite long, but well written. ;) -- G͕͇̰͓̱̭̑̒̿̈́ͮ͌̓ͅO̝̪̯̲͖̦͔ͦ̉́̾̽T͓͖ͤ͊W̛̝̓̽ ^{Ù̻͉̽́s̛͒͌͒̄͐ͨě͍͉̦͙͇ͨ̈ͦ͢r̨̞͔̜̹̹̦̪ͨͤ͗̆͐͛ | T̯̙̀ͣͪ̀̔̚a̮̞͓͈͖̒l̿ͩk̢̲̬̱̬͉̲} 19:31, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

White Storm

Just got back and he's already showing his maturity level on Yessie's talk page. Here. Great Mara (talk) 23:59, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

errors

I can not say I have not made mistakes but some of what you pointed out is questionable.

You wrote "Quote" With the Aces theater you made it theater. As far as I know it's theatre. ."End Quote."

• I have mild Dyslexia, so on the Tops page I used spell check. According to spell check "theatre" should be "theater" Aces theatre??? is it intentionally miss spelled or is spell check wrong?

The cell name even says "TOPSAcesTheater" just like I wrote. I am honestly not being a smart ass here. I just do not see how that is my fault. I think the guidelines page is a miss print. Spell check, Google and the cell name all say it should be "Theater."

The player's character vs player character seems arbitrary because it refers to the character that belongs to the player. I did not bracket such a common reference so it never accrued to me to me to bother this time either. If you would rather have it say the player character O.K. I am here to cooperate.

• The cursor on the Sloan image was all me but it is an easy over site to make and clearly not one I usually do make.

I will continue try. That is the best I can do.

SaintPain→ That was broke afore I got here." 01:34, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I was not try'n to rub anything in your face. I totally agree "No one's infallible."

• I was just pointing out the guidelines page typo.

As I said I will continue to try my best.

SaintPain→ That was broke afore I got here." 01:05, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox fix?

Deleting an image from a page with a broken infobox and then putting it back up restores the correct size. Is this a fix or something that shouldn't be done like adding image size? 69.125.134.190 04:47, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

No, not image size. If you delete the image and then reupload it, it returns to the normal format. 69.125.134.190 17:45, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Behemoth robot

I'm going through the FOT editor and I'm trying to add the stats for at least one page every day. Luvere (talk) 23:06, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Essential

But he lacks the ability to die, so is essential, he isn't marked as such in the GECK because the child script already compensates for that, so there is no need to add another script that stops him from dying. He may not be marked as essential but he is, for all extensive purposes, essential.
JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 23:06, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Time

Hopefully a bit more time. It depends on how much and when I'm working... And with whom. I know I've been a bit scarce these last couple of weeks, but should start settling soon. Agent c (talk) 13:58, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

It will take up a lot, but the reduction in employed work hours means I expect it to be okay. I'm planning Miss Wasteland tonight, then Mr USA, followed by an in character special, and back to the hole. Agent c (talk) 14:20, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Infobx problems 2.0

I've been a bit under the weather the past couple of days. I'll try to take a look at those map images tonight. I can't make any promises, since that's even more complicated with the use of {{Infobox/aux3}}, but I'll try. The Gunny   19:36, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

A notice

Hi J. I am terribly sorry for my absence as of late. My computer has (yet again) broken and I have sent it in for repair. I cannot have regular access to the wiki and so will be away for the next few days. I will try to get back to things as soon as possible. Cheers, --Skire (talk) 00:45, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox images

I noticed that making any edit to pages removes Expression error: Unexpected < operator. but I'm having another problem now. Every time I edit a page the infobox image enlarges. See screenshots(original on right). Is this some other problem or am I doing something wrong? I haven't been editing the infoboxes.

Luvere (talk) 05:18, May 23, 2013 (UTC) forgot to sign again...

Woops

Sorry about that, just trying to help. I saw the developers category and saw a lot of room to work with tbh. 16:12, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Gigantische infoboxen

Beste Jspoelstra, ik merk de laatste tijd dat de infoboxen opeens gigantisch groot zijn geworden. Ik snap dat dit een fout was en dacht ik meld het even, misschien heb ik het alleen in mijn browser. Nu zag ik echter op jouw overlegpagina dat je veel meer van deze meldingen heb gehad. Weten jullie waar dit door komt/aan ligt? Hebben jullie toevallig al een oplossing? Als ik bijvoorbeeld kijk naar Megaton dan is de infobox op mijn pagina bijna de hele pagina breed en gigantisch lang, ook de plaatjes zijn heel groot. Maar als ik bijvoorbeeld kijk naar Ant researcher, dan is er geen probleem. Wat veroorzaakt dit? Het lijkt niet te liggen aan bepaalde soort pagina's, aangezien ik het heb gehad bij pagina's over locaties, quests, mensen, enz. Maar ook van elk van deze soorten pagina's, een pagina waar het probleem zich niet afspeelde. De pagina's laden wel een stuk langzamer zo en daarom hoop ik echt dat de problemen snel verholpen zijn. {{SUBST:Signature|Kennyannydenny}} 16:49, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, bedankt voor de informatie. Ik zal die handeling "edit, geen wijziging en opslaan" doen wanneer ik deze tegen kom. Ik zal het wel even veranderen naar "Administrator on the Elder Scrolls Wiki". Het staat daar namelijk omdat ik wel degelijk administrator ben, alleen niet op de Fallout wiki, maar op de Elder Scrolls wiki. Het is helaas niet apart in te stellen op alle wikia's. Ik hoop met je mee dat wikia er snel wat mee doet. Gelukkig hebben wij nooit zo iets gehad op de Elder Scrolls wiki. Ik heb wel eens gehad dat er opeens een rits aan gebruikers bij mij als admin aanklopte met dat ze opeens meldingen kregen dat ze geblokkeerd waren. Dit probleem lag toen ook bij wikia. Maar ja, voordat ik over vanalles ga praten ;) Nogmaals bedankt voor de snelle reactie. Mvg, {{SUBST:Signature|Kennyannydenny}} 17:22, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Kleine Update: ik was begonnen met wat je vroeg, die nul edits zodat die errors weg gaan. Ik ben alle Fallout 3 wapens uit het spel langsgelopen. Daarna heb ik alle pagina's afgelopen van items die ik in mijn inventory en storages in mijn huis heb. Toen ben ik alle quests die ik in mijn pipboy heb, langsgelopen. Daarna ben ik rond gaan lopen in Megaton en heb elke item die ik tegenkwam gecontroleerd op de wiki, waaronder ook de inventories van de winkeliers. Daarna ben ik alle personen uit Megaton langsgelopen (Alleen Walter en Stockholm hadden die error nog). Nu ga ik denk ik even wat anders doen ;D Dat waren een paar honderd pagina's... {{SUBST:Signature|Kennyannydenny}} 20:05, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Bridge tower Local Map Image

Hey Js, do you think you can get the local map image for the Bridge tower. ---bleep196- (talk) 17:04, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Apprentice

Why are you removing my images? ^{Some Assembly Required!} 17:58, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ahhhh, I got you now. I was wondering what was up since I remember going to sleep with everything put into their proper places. :P Thanks for clarifying. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 18:12, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes and The Professional perk

I just removed The Professional multipliers from the 10mm submachine gun (Fallout: New Vegas) page and Sleepytyme (GRA) page because they were conditional to the weapon. However, another thing is that they bonuses weren't being applied to the Crit DAM cell but the regular DAM. Is there a way to alter the template so we would be able to use the perk correctly in the infoboxes? From what I understand of the bug on The Professional's page it applies to all the critical hits the weapons affected by the perk make.

I don't understand the template coding so I can't change it myself. Great Mara (talk) 21:33, May 23, 2013 (UTC)