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I noticed, that there are things on the Wiki, that aren't marked as non canon, even though they shouldn't be considered canon. One great example is about the city of Denver (Dog Town). Almost everything on that page is from Van Buren design documents, so it isn't canon, but it is never noted anywhere and so it might be confusing for a lot of people (including me). I agree, that it is a nice touch (letting people know what could have been if Interplay had the chance to finish Van Buren), but it still is from design documents, from a game, that doesn't exist, so I think that such information shouldn't be included on a canonical site, but rather on a completely separate site, which would include only non canon info. I know that won't probably happen, because it would take too much work, but it's been a thing that bothered me greatly, so I wanted to say it.

Edit: Sorry, the first time I read about Denver, my phone seemed to glitch out a little bit and it didn't show me, that the info was a part of Van Buren documents. It does show it now, which seems really odd, so I apologize for the misinformation. The info is indeed marked as non canon, so this whole article is invalid.—Preceding unsigned comment was added by AtomA (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!

Actually the icon next to the section of the article is a Notice. When you hover over the icon it says specifically that this part of the article is not canon. Furthermore there is a separate article specifically for the Van Buren Denver. If you have more questions on Fallout canon please don't hesitate to ask.--Ant2242 (talk) 16:20, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I think it's worth mentioning that some articles can be a little awkward because of the non-canon info mixed in with the canon info. The Pip Boy 2000 example is one case. Some articles do feature entirely unmarked non-canon info I've had to edit out. I think misreading the Fallout Bible is a big one, where people take info from an early installment that is refuted later on, and portray it as fact.Runninfar (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I need to figure out a better way to mark them. The altered color isn't perfectly readable, as AtomA notes, so we could do an alternative form of highlighting perhaps? See below: Tagaziel (talk) 17:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
That certainly looks a lot nicer, but I can't help myself, so I need to ask - why does there have to be the non canonical info at all? From my perspective it just messes up the page with canon info on it. Sure, it it adds an interesting bit of info, but the text then seems less unified and the overall appearance of the page doesn't look as pretty. I'm not suggesting you should ditch the non canon things ultimately, not at all. I just think that there could be two sites : the one with canonical and the one with non canonical stuff on them. Something like the case with Denver. Although I imagine it would take a LOT of effort and a LOT of work so it won't probably happen

AtomA (talk)

I think I like it more, but it should probably be very clear it's non-canon / non-primary info. As right now you have to do it. Would it be possible to make it collapsible? Like Van Buren information only shows up if you click on it? Rather than having it be the info that pops out the most? Runninfar (talk) 18:11, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
I am loving this highlighted background. I would like to know what everyone thinks of both changing the format to this, and what are their thoughts on the VB icon tab? Is the tab bold enough, certainly the text is clear enough, but is it bold enough to distinguish it as a notation Icon?--Ant2242 (talk) 22:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

A better question is, do you have any ideas for a color combination that could work on both light and dark skin variants? Tagaziel (talk) 19:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I believe that we should keep the light gray background as it works on both, then change the letter color to something darker on the dark background.--Ant2242 (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Before the War

Road to Denver.
Gray paragraphs are based on Van Buren and were not confirmed by primary sources A rich city known for its industry, Denver was a place of prominence in the pre-War United States. Its factories supported the development of Boulder, a city on its outskirts, and a major center of scientific research, developing technologies in medicine, energy, robotics, and even power armor. However, the prominence of Denver was marred by incidents, such as a disastrous leakage from the nearby Rocky Mountain Arsenal, which created a poisonous cloud that hit Denver, killing a lot of people. Although the military apologized and invested money into the creation of the Boulder Dome as compensation, the damage was done.[1] The incident heralded the city's dark future. For a time, everything seemed in order and the city entered a building boom shortly before the war, as many new jobs were opening there the city was swollen to bursting. Most of the construction was housing for these immigrants. But when the war with China did start in 2066, resource rationing occurred and suddenly the construction workers didn't have anything to build with and weren't getting paid. Union riots and strikes occurred because the city couldn't pay and the federal government wouldn't step in to help. When Mexico and the Great Midwest Commonwealth started to suffer food shortages, Denver was hit hard because of its high population. Food rationing began. Food riots started because of the rationing, and some buildings were set on fire. The National Guard was called in to contain the rioting, using InstaPens (aka "bullpens") to contain and imprison rioters. Some people deliberately attacked police and National Guard troops so they would be imprisoned and fed. Rioters, National Guard personnel who disobeyed orders, and other military folk who refused to help contain the riots were sent west and east.[2]


  1. Van BurenGametitle-VB.png Boulder design document: "Boulder was long a place where advanced scientific research took place. The University of Colorado, IBM, and Ball Aerospace were located here. Supported by money from Denver's industry and an active military presence, Boulder scientists made advances in medicine (bio-med gel was invented here), alternate energy sources, robotics, and even developed a power armor prototype. Unfortunately, leakage from the Rocky Mountain Arsenal (a nearby toxic waste dump/weapons storage location) caused a poisonous cloud that killed a lot of people in Denver. As an apology, the military funded a program to create a self-sustaining research dome, capable of withstanding a nuclear attack. This "city of the future" was to be a prototype for settlements on the moon and other planets."
  2. Van BurenGametitle-VB.png Denver design document