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Forums: Index > Wiki proposals and applications > Poll for a new name, Part Deux.

This poll is the next stage in the official name change process. The poll is made up of two questions.

First Question Explanation

The first question is a "Yes" or "No" question and proposes "That the community of this Wiki authorises the Administration team to take action to secure a name change to this wiki, in line with the communities preferred choices for the new name".

Please note a "Yes" result does not secure a change - this may need to be negotiated with Wikia, and there is a possibility they may choose to prevent a name change at all.

Edit: By request;

Some reasons why you may wish to vote yes:

  • There is another claim to the mark "The Vault" by the new wiki who believe they have a legal claim to it (however, please see reasons for no for more information)
  • Continued use of this mark may result in confusion between this, and the other wiki
  • Continued use of this mark may cause problems with the proposed content sharing arrangement between this and the other wiki.
  • Continued use of this mark may cause issues with our relationship with the greater Fallout Fan community
  • You may simply just prefer one of the new names
  • "Fallout Wiki", rather than "The Vault" is used in advertising for this wiki on other Wikia sites, and a change to this would be consistent with this brand.

Some reasons why you may wish to vote no:

  • Wikia believe that the other wiki has no legitimate legal claim to the mark "The Vault"; and may wish to see no change
  • A lot of visitors find our site using the search term "Vault" (I must confess to doing this on occasion myself).
  • You may simply not like any of the other proposed names.

(If anyone has any other examples for reasons to change/not change at all, please give me a shout).

Second Question Explanation

The Second Question presents five options for the communities preferred name choice. You have a single vote only, and you may vote on this question even if you are opposed to a name change at all.

Your options for this poll are (in alphabetical; order): Fallout Universe, Fallout Wiki, GeckiPedia, NukaPedia

Please note, that a victory here does not guarantee that the winner will be the chosen name of the wiki. The final name may be subject to negotiations with Wikia, and there may be reasons why a lower ranked candidate may have to be chosen (for example, if theres trademark issues or something).

Logos

Although we're not ready to vote on logos just yet, we're now accepting candidates for a new logo. Please include your logo, or a link to it, in the comment section. A logo poll will likely follow if/when a new name is secured. Edit: I imagine there will also be a period between polls to allow for those holding their ideas until the name is secured to submit theres... Its all TBC though.

First Question (Votes Only)

Do you agree with the following motion: That the community of this Wiki authorises the Administration team to take action to secure a name change to this wiki, in line with the communities preferred choices for the new name?

Edit, I'm just splitting the votes here to aid in counting later on. Could any last minute votes be between the comment lines. For Vote Changers, if you could readjust to groups if 5 I'd appreciate it.


  • Yes Agent c 23:57, December 18, 2011 (UTC) for a new tomorrow...
  • Yes Nihil sub sole novum. -Love, ΣΔ 23:59, December 18, 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes --The Gunny 00:01, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • YesToCxHawK 00:03, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes Dan Rocks







Second Question Poll (Votes Only)

Please vote "Yes" on a single response only.

Edit, I'm just splitting the votes here to aid in counting later on. Could any last minute votes be between the comment lines. For Vote Changers, if you could readjust to groups if 5 I'd appreciate it.

That the community's preferred name for this wiki in the event of a name change is:

Fallout Wiki




(Excluded Votes)

  • Yes Shurrender 13:13, December 31, 2011 (UTC) vote does not count, first ever edit

Fallout Universe

GECKipedia

Nukapedia





Excluded Votes

  • Yes Midnightq2 vote does not count, newly created account, possible double vote.

Comments, Questions and Queries

I don't think there's much of a chance of a "No" victory on the first question, however a "no" vote could leave our relationship with the new wiki (I say it that way only to avoid confusion) in a precarious position, and may not actually solve anything - we still may be forced into a change later on, at least this way you'll definitely have a say on the name. Agent c 23:57, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't think that first question is essential. However, I do appreciate that you put it down in the first place. I doubt we need to worry about that. Also, we should get more people to vote, since this is the most important vote. -Love, ΣΔ 00:01, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
I'll be doing a digest very soon... I've got a few ideas for a new Digest pic I want to play around with first, and I want to get community thoughts on that. The first question is just to remove any doubt come talk-to-wikia time that the admin team have the power to do this on our behalf.Agent c 00:02, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
On the "change name at all" question, not changing it is basically copyright infringement on the unregistered trademark of Ausir. So, I'd say, no matter what the result is there, the name has to go in order for this to not be illegal. Hugs MadeMan2 "Say 'ello to my little friend!"
Who says we have to be legal? :P -Love, ΣΔ 00:08, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
Judge Dredd. Hugs MadeMan2 "Say 'ello to my little friend!"

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I'm not sure what the actual law is with unregistered marks as I seem to say in all my blogs, IANAL... But that said even if its not a legal thing, it still should go just for unity's sake. Agent c 00:10, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Update from Wikia re: Community Name

Hi, I wanted to check in with you on the conversation around the name of this wiki.

We've heard back from our legal advisers and at this point, we believe there is no legal concern regarding the name “The Vault” nor do we believe Ausir has any legal claim to the name.

So that's the legal position... on to the more important bit: the community position. What this means is that if you want to use the name on this wiki, then that's not a legal issue in any way. However, now that the legal position is clear, and the community has calmed after the split, it seems the right time to remove our request to leave the wordmark and name in place, and return the decision to the community.

One thing to think about: The more obscure the name you choose, the less it will help people find this wiki. Using a name that people are likely to enter in search engines is one of the key elements of good search engine optimization (SEO). And, good SEO means more people will find the site, and you have more chance of attracting the next generation of wiki editors. This is why we tend to encourage wikis to use simple names like "Fallout Wiki" (or to keep familiar names like "The Vault").

Thanks for your patience in waiting for the situation to be clear. Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 00:15, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, Jen. So if I understand this correctly: if we really wanted, we could legally hold on to the name The Vault? Well, I think we've already accepted we're getting a new name and to keep on good terms with The Vault's community (which is what I want anyway), we should go forward with this poll and decide on a new name. It's good we know now Wikia will allow a name change and also directs us in what kind of name that should be. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 00:50, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Yep, that's exactly it - if the community chooses, there is no legal reason to prohibit the use of "The Vault" for this wiki. Of course, we'll support whatever direction you all choose to go - we do hope, however, that the community will consider a name that is simple and likely to be commonly searched for as having good SEO will result in new people coming to the wiki. For what it's worth, "The Vault" has consistently been in the top 10 search terms for this wiki and the people who come here from that search term tend to stay around for a while. Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 00:54, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Jen, I think the problem for some of us is that the Fallout community reaches far beyond the borders of Wikia. Some of us think using "The Vault" would be downright disrespectful to its creators (Ausir and pals). And, honestly, The Vault has gone and positioned themselves in a relatively obscure corner of the internet (all things considered). They have an uphill battle ahead of them, whereas we, no matter our 'unique' name, will still be known as 'Fallout Wiki' to search engines and be right at or near the top of results involving the Fallout for a long time to come.
In one, striking example, we come up 5th in Google's results in a search for only the word "Fallout" - in an out-of-the-box browser - because Wikia is already calling us "Fallout Wiki." (EDIT: I just wanted to add to make it explicit: having 5th place on the word 'fallout' - and I'm sure we all realize that fallout is a common word unrelated to the game - is exponentially more powerful than anything the words "the vault" bring to the table). Thanks for reading. ---Person of Refinement 01:30, December 21, 2011 (UTC)


Nukapedia should win for the following reasons:

  • No matter what we call ourselves, Wikia is going to call us "Fallout Wiki" (for a host of reasons). Therefore, the name we decide on will just be about our identity within the Fallout community. Let's show everyone that we have a bold new identity and that we're here to stay.
  • Nuka-Cola is an inexorable staple of the entire Fallout series, even in non-canon games; anyone who has played the game knows what a Nuka-Cola is (even some who haven't played will get the reference).
  • It gives the Wiki a creative identity (unlike the utilitarian "Fallout Universe," for instance). Nukapedia is a bit of whimsical-yet-referential nomenclature that mirrors the spirit of other fan sites, wikis and fan art, such as "Duck and Cover," "No Mutants Allowed," "The Vault" and the "Nuka Break" series.
  • Most English-speaking people pronounce Wikipedia "wik-uh-pedia." Nukapedia possesses a clever phonetic sisterhood with the grandfather of all wikis, much like the ever-popular Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki.
  • The Fallout series is chock full of clever references and a carefree, adventurous attitude; the name Nukapedia carries with it the very essence of the game world. The name is cool.
  • The root word, or implicit reference, is the verb (and noun) Nuke. In kind, the name is conceptually self-contained; even if you have no idea what Nukapedia: The Fallout Wiki might be all about, it's at least clearly going to be post-apocalyptic.
  • We're standing on the shoulders of a giant. Consider our predecessor, "The Vault." Don't forget that the words "the vault" are, in fact, way more ambiguous than Nukapedia. "The Vault" could be about anything. Nuka-Cola, and Nukapedia, only comes from one place.
  • This is roughly what I think the Nukapedia logo should look like: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User:Agent_c/Fallout_wiki_logo. If the name advances and anyone likes this, I'd be happy to make it better looking (this lacks variety in the rusty paint blow-outs and the strokes around the text could be smoother - among other tweaks). If you guys like my style and another name wins, I'd of course be happy to come up with something for the other candidates as well.

Thanks for reading ---Person of Refinement 04:28, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

You have made some good points. I also like the logo you created (although I think it could be better). This along with the fact that the other names are not that great made me vote for Nukapedia. --RAMUser talk:Ramallah 12:04, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit rough, but here is my logo. It's not great, but I thought I'd submit one. 114.77.77.5

Me kinda like. Is there any way we can get a sound file to play when you log on with the geiger-counter clicking like in Nuka-Break when Twig drinks one?--The Gunny 00:12, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite confused

Why is Fallout Wiki even an option? This shouldn't be called a "naming poll" if it is. We ARE a Fallout Wiki. Now what's the name? It's like if Honda released a new line of cars called "Car." That's not how it works! Come on, homies. All the other Fallout Wikis have a unique name. As a sign of respect, I think we should have one, too. If enough people don't like the other options: Fallout Universe, GECKipedia or Nukapedia, we should come up with more names. A vote for 'Fallout Wiki' is, in my opinion, a vote for No Name! ---Person of Refinement 17:09, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

It was an option in previous poll. It is because some of us think a simple "Fallout Wiki" is the best name. Also, mind your manner. Calling us homies can get you in trouble, like getting banned. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 17:16, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
Relax, I won't ban him for calling us homies. You gotta see it in the context of things. I can respect his/her point of view. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 17:27, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
Homies is a term of endearment (it's the plural of "home boy" - I'm from the West Coast, U.S., Oakland, California. Sorry if it got lost in translation). Person of Refinement 17:40, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 17:42, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
Ultimately, the decision will be made. There is only so much one man can do. I have confidence in the community of this wiki and I believe the final decision will be for the best. -Love, ΣΔ 21:57, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ FYI, Ford does have a car with the model name "Ka", pronounced "Car". (this by AgentC, but if I log in wikia doesn't work right in safari mobile)

When you meant safari you meant preview mode? MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 18:58, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I mean if I try to edit a page, or post a blog comment, whilst using an or iPad some crazy code kicks in and forces me back to the home screen - that is when I can convince the site I don't want the crappy mobile version that doesn't seem to allow logins, edits, and coveres the article in a random location with a banner ad. (Agent C)


The reason I believe Fallout Wiki should be used is simple. If someone enters in the search bar for something Fallout related, what is the first thing they are going to put in? Nuka? Doubt it. Fallout is the first word they put in. Honestly this name change poll is not to change from Fallout Wiki but to change/replace The Vault. I honestly think that when a new fallout game comes out, our "nukawiki" will not show up in the search results until way after "The Vault". In that case, we lose traffic to the other wiki. Just common business sense.--Kingclyde 00:10, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

First off - congrats on getting unanimously elected our one and only bureaucrat (come to think of it, shouldn't you be called Overseer?)!
Second, "The Vault," I read above, is the eighth-most used search term to find this place. That means that a combination of obvious words like "Fallout" "wiki" "New" "Vegas" and the like make up the top seven. Point being, it has never been the issue that a unique moniker wouldn't be searched for. It's just that, like you say in your comment, all of the Fallout wikis have a unique name, followed by "Fallout wiki." We'd be no different. We are currently no different. Dropping "The Vault" is what is going to hurt traffic, not changing the unique portion of the name.
I totally get what you're saying, but don't forget that this place is far from deserted, is already called "Fallout Wiki" and has the power of Wikia behind it. All a new lead-moniker is going to do (since we're dropping the Vault regardless, I'm assuming) is give us a unique identity within the existing community. Not to mention, after time, the new name of this place will be in the top search results as well. People identify with bold brands, logos and unique identities. In my estimation, 'Fallout wiki' isn't an identity as much as it is a technical description. People like using products and that have the confidence to try to stick out from the pack.
Thanks for reading. ---Person of Refinement 00:40, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
@Person of Refinement - you are obviously a very well educated individual. However, it turns out to be very basic - the community will and the community will decide what our new name is to be. There is very little more that you can do other than placing your own vote and sustaining your own beliefs. -Love, ΣΔ 00:46, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
All due respect - really - anyone still here after the split has my full support and admiration. All I'm doing is voicing my opinions, and pointing out where I think others might be right (or wrong). I believe that's the point in the Comments section. I love this wiki and use it all the time. Over time I have grown quite fond of it and have started helping out by editing a random page here and there or scanning for vandalism. All I'm doing is taking part in the community discussion about our identity. I may be a bit more verbose than others, but I am under no illusions as to my amount of influence, which I realize is miniscule. Thanks for reading. ---Person of Refinement 00:59, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
I think "Only Current" is more correct than "one and only" - its not a kingdom, we can have multiple bureaucrats, just noone else seems to want the job. Agent c 01:33, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
:D hehe. I'm well aware - I was just trying to set up the Overseer reference. --- Person of Refinement 04:08, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
Did one of the vaults have more than one overseer? I forget... But anyway, if we're getting off topic let's take it to chat eh? -Love, ΣΔ 11:32, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
That's only Vault 199 - it had 2 overseers as a part of the experiment. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 11:33, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
Vault 199? Never heard of it... -Love, ΣΔ 02:38, December 25, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, it's 19 - never noticed the mistake... MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 10:17, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Next step?

Down to the wire at 15 Nuka vs 15 wiki... My thoughts are in the event of a Nuka win, the full title should be Nukapedia: The Fallout Wiki. In the event that it still is tied, do we want to do a run off, or have the admin team just take the results on advice? For the logo: I was thinking after the name is settled, have a week's consultation period for new entries, a plebiscite vote like we did first for the name except with no new entries permitted, and the leading candidates then into a final binding vote. Any thoughts... Agent c 18:46, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

If we would have another poll in that only Fallout wiki and Nukapedia are options, at least before put that only those who made at least (for example 500) edits can vote. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 18:49, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
I agree, for what it's worth. -Love, ΣΔ 20:19, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
Is that edits anywhere, or just in the article space? Seems a steep step if its the latter... Just because someone doesnt make/edit articles doesnt mean they don't use/particpate in the community. Agent c 20:49, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
It appears Nukapedia will win. Even if there were a tie "The Fallout Wiki" would follow the new name just as it did before. So all in all we really didn't need to nominate Fallout Wiki. As for the amount of edits required to vote, these polls are for the community. As far as I am concerned, a user becomes a member of the community when they create an account and make on edit. Placing a limit would be silly.Kingclyde 22:53, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

(←)  I don't think placing a limit would be silly. It's in hindsight, but we should have done that. In my opinion this has not been thought through well enough when we set up this poll. This name change is too important to be left decided by a whole community, so together with new users and users with a few edits, as it affects the wiki and its traffic on the long term. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 23:09, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Jspoel, Mystery I have a lot of respect for you two; and I hope this doesn't affect your future decisions on where to edit. However, by setting a level at 500+ edits, you're basically saying that its only the opinions of Admins and Moderators that matter - on the other Hand SigmaDelta is a newbie here registering in October - yet by the edit count definition he's a long term users. Okay, so I've only 100 or so edits myself, most of those over the past few months, but I've been a reasonably frequent visitor to the vault for research for the last 2 years... does the voice of those who visit for social or research reasons not matter? The more drastic the change, the more the whole community should be involved, not less. After all, we all know how much many of us get riled up when Wikia decide to impose a drastic change on the rest of us - riled up enough to leave... Agent c 03:26, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
If I may butt in here. It's not as much about being a "long-term user" but being one that shows dedication to this wiki. This decision will impact the future, and it should be made by those who will stay and show contribution. Not to mention agent c, you have more edits than me -.- I think we should be counting total edits. And the only reason why we're doing that in the first place is because it is the only tangible measurement that shows a user's significance to this wiki. --ΣΔ 03:49, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Nukapedia is eligible. Doing a quick Google search, it seems that there is already a domain registered under nukapedia, on 11 Oct 2011 by IP 216.239.36.21. The link can be found here:
http://domaincoleta.com/whois/nukapedia.com
If, as I suspect, this is a real domain registered by a separate person, I'm under the impression that The Fallout Wiki wins by default. I could be wrong, I'm not all that good with legal stuff, but I'm pretty sure you can't name yourself after something already existing... 114.77.77.5 03:28, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

As we're not changing domain (This site has been fallout.wikia.com since the Vault came from DAC). This doesn't apply - registering a domain AFAIK gives you no legal protection. I'm now lawyer, but its my understanding that for a trademark (which is what I think you're getting at) needs proof of the ability to cause confusion between the marks - an example of this is given on Wikipedia's page on Trade Marks: Maytag has a trade mark on "Whisper Quest", but as long as I'm not making washing machines and trying to call them Whisper Quest, Maytag can't do anything me using it - ie if I was making a game called "Whisper Quest", its okay; as such its my understanding Any other "nukapedia" would have to prove confusion between whatever they're calling Nukapedia, and "Nukapedia: The Fallout Wiki".Agent c 03:33, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I thought I should weigh in my bit here. Regardless of the name, people will be more likely to search for Fallout using the word Fallout, the name is just something that users can associate the Wiki with once using it. Because of the site having fallout in the URL, the name will make no difference. People are saying that removing "The Vault" title will damage the community, I don't think this is so. This Wiki is still cemented as the "go to place" for information and still comes up high in the google listing under "Fallout" so I don't think traffic will be affected. As long as it stays up there, it will be ok. Users don't tend to search google for "The Vault" or "Nukapedia" unless they have prior knowledge that the Wiki is known as that (which, if we want to keep a steady stream of new users will not be an issue) and those who do know the name of the Wiki will know the new name upon its implementation. So, due to this, the name really doesn't affect anything User talk:Miss"Even In Death May You Be Triumphant" 13:28, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should let rename to Nukapedia: The Fallout wiki - people would know about it and later we simply rename it to Nukapedia. If we only let Nukapedia, a good number of users wouldn't recognise it being the Fallout related wiki. If things turn out to be a problem, we use Fallout wiki. That's my suggestion. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 17:08, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

The anon edits for spacing were me. Sorry. Agent c 03:32, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

i think that Nukapedia: the fallout wiki, is a good idea The lone wanderer's bad-ass grandma

Final thoughts Jspoel

@ Agent c I'm not saying I want to set a limit of 500 to every forum thread involving voting, but just this one. This is a unique subject vote and of such major importance, now I think it should not have been left decided by users who haven't edited much, which is the most important task to keep this wiki interesting for visitors. I've checked the voters for this thread and there are 12 voters who are below 300 edits, with a total of 1200 edits. It's good to have them here, but I'm having a real hard time seeing these users as dedicated and eligible for this vote. Allright, you say, then why haven't you spoken up when this was set up a month a ago? Thinking back I needed time to recover from the split and have been hoping for a good new name to come up, but in my opinion, we haven't found a good alternative. When we were down to 4, I'll be honest with you, I was expecting Fallout wiki to win, for the plain simple reason people would use common sense in selecting the name (like Kingclyde says, and also advice Wikia). There would not be any mistake finding our wiki when searching for it. It frustrates me that just a few users who don't edit much can make the difference on such an important vote. It may be too little, too late, but I feel I needed to speak these last words on this.

As for the details, should it turn out to become Nukapedia, we need to speak with Wikia what they will change and how it will affect search terms the least. I could live with Nukapedia, as long as it's used where's it doesn't affect that too much. For example, is The Vault mainspace name going to be changed into Nukapedia? If that would have a major impact on finding this wiki, no matter how good the new name, we can't use it there. There's still not clarity on this. Maybe just the logo, welcome messages and various templates? Just some thoughts on finalizing this. Jspoel Speech Jspoel 19:04, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Nukapedia: The Fallout Wiki

So I have to scramble to make 500 meaningless edits to have my voice heard? What a huge turn off. A couple of you have been riding me since I became more active presumably because I've been making a reasoned argument for Nukapedia, a name you dislike. I think that's pretty unprofessional. I came here enthusiastically and ready to participate. I think I'd make a useful addition to the team here over time. We all know a lot of the articles here are poorly written, and when I have spare time I actually enjoy cruising around fixing them up; one of my strengths is writing (and pwning supermutants with a Chinese pistol). Whatever.

To the matter at hand: Go search for an item in Fallout. Let's try, off the top of my head, Mole Rat Meat:

Mole rat meat - The Fallout wiki - Fallout: New Vegas and more fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mole_rat_meat Mole rat meat is a consumable that appears in Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas.

They don't call us The Vault. They call us Fallout Wiki and will continue to. We'll be called "Fallout Wiki" even if we changed our name to "Go Away, This Isn't A Fallout Wiki." Nukapedia, as I've stated repeatedly, is about branding within the Fallout community at large. Psychologically, it gives us an identity - it makes us "us." Logistically, it's basically just the logo. The subtext. An interesting chair in an otherwise austere room.

The (main) reason the staff at Wikia wants to retain "The Vault" is because they want to try to siphon off traffic that may otherwise follow Ausir to Curse. Otherwise, deductive reasoning shows us that no one would search for "The Vault" who's never heard of it - and anyone looking for a Fallout Wiki will search for just that - and we're pretty much the king of the heap in searches for Fallout anything.

I'm not saying Curse won't gain ground. That's inevitable - no matter what we do. But I say quit making polls. I say take the leap. Nukapedia won the popular vote. It's a fine suggestion and a bold step toward making a new identity for ourselves. We're going to have to stay tightly knit and have our game faces on when Fallout 4 drops, because Ausir is going to be whipping out new pages at Curse until his fingers are bleeding. I'm here to help fight that battle and keep this the most up to date, well written, accurate Fallout wiki around. Giving ourselves a memorable brand I think is the first step.

Thanks for reading and Happy Gregorian New Year ---Person of Refinement 18:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Also: the motif I think should be red-hued to match with both the newest game, New Vegas, and with Nuka Cola, if we end up being called Nukapedia. This tired old green is ready to go to bed, wouldn't you guys say? ---Person of Refinement 18:30, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
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