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Re-Dead?[]
Hey, if you kill Gilles while you're playing, and then do (or don't do) what is required to have Boone's ending kill Gilles and then himself, will the ending state that Boone killed her even though she is already dead, or does it change to something else?--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' YOU. LOSE. 22:04, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
After killing her you automatically fail the quest and boones alternate endings become unavailable--77.102.187.189 00:33, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
Ya but you can kill her any time after his quest has been completed, so you can kill her than still get the slide where Boone kills her.--174.235.136.177 07:02, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
Armed for the Bear Achievement[]
Killing Gilles does not appear to count toward the GRA Challenge Armed For Bear. [[Special:Contributions/75.72.26.11|75.72.26.151 ] 04:57, November 10, 2011 (UTC) Zor
Source?[]
Where does it say Gilles was Boone's co, or even part of the massacre (not that I doubt it I just never heard any mention of it ingame)? And on a side note I think her quote is generic and more npcs say the same quote word for word (not sure if quotes should be generic). --174.235.136.177 06:49, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
I second this, I haven't seen any confirmation that Captain Gilles was involved with Bitter Springs at the time of the massacre itself, let alone her being the Commanding Officer, nor the note about her demotion from Major. Also, if she's in Bitter Springs at the conclusion, why would Boone "...[journey] back to California in search of the NCR officer who had led the attack..." (emphasis mine) in his vengeful-NCR ending. StatusQuo (talk) 02:48, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
Effects of player's actions[]
Currently the pages states: "If the Courier convinces Craig Boone to remain bitter and angry about the massacre at Bitter Springs, Boone eventually makes his way to Bitter Springs with his side-arm and two bullets and shoots Gilles"
Which is referenced by: FNV Ending slide 22: "As the Battle of Hoover Dam ended, Boone confirmed what he had always suspected - that revenge would never quiet his troubled mind. Side arm in hand, he journeyed back to California in search of the NCR officer who had led the attack on Bitter Springs. There, with only two bullets loaded, Boone did the only thing he believed would put an end to his suffering"
With this picture included:
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However, the point of all this, is that it never actually says the words Boone killed her. It is very heavily implied in my eyes but it does not actually say it. Earlier today someone added a Cite tag to the Effects of players actions portion and a Ref tag was then added and that is the current state of the page.
So, I'm opening a discussion here to see if we should keep the information on the page, change it, or remove it.
- To start as I stated above, to me it is heavily implied that he was the killer, so I believe that the information should stay. Xa3 (talk) 01:01, November 17, 2017 (UTC)
What isn't explicit is merely speculative, and speculation is not allowed in a wiki article. The slide also says he goes to California, not to Bitter Springs like it says in the article so that is also wrong. It says he goes there with two bullets loaded and does what he thinks will end his agony, but it does not explicitly state what that is. Yes, it implies he kills her, but this is only implied and not explicit. Also, saying two bullets loaded implies one bullet was for her and that he then used the other bullet to kill himself. That was the impression I got from that slide, but the wiki does not say he commits suicide even though this is implied, and nor should it because that is speculation, just like it is only speculation that he killed her. The text needs to be adjusted to remove the speculation and only say what is explicit fact about what happens. --75.128.131.188 03:33, November 23, 2017 (UTC)
- To add a little clarity to the discord addition, as we do not know what happened to Gilles after the Battle of Hoover Dam, heading to California and killing Gilles is a distinct possibility. the image itself shows boone standing over her body. As the end slide and the photo conflict as to the weapon, developer oversight should be assumed as we are told he goes with his side arm and two bullets, making the rifle incorrect to the facts given. Considering the position of Boone to Gilles, he would be stood at the correct angle to which was shot. Therefore it is safe to say (until other information appears) that Boone shot Gilles. Sakaratte - Talk to the catmin 02:27, November 26, 2017 (UTC)
Bitter Springs is not in California, so there's a contradiction between the image which appears to show the command tent at Bitter Springs (although there could be a location in California that looks similar or identical) and what the ending slide says happens. It explicitly says he goes to California. I agree with Sakaratte the image is probably just developer oversight. Bitter Springs is where she is located, so it was just easier to compile the image there rather than create a new location in California just for that slide image. For that same reason, it is probably also an oversight that the image shows Boone with his rifle rather than sidearm like the text explicitly says. Aside from that contradiction, it also just makes more sense to use a pistol if you're going to kill someone at close range, and it would be easier to get past security too. --75.128.131.188 04:12, November 26, 2017 (UTC)
In command at Bitter Springs?[]
Um...where is the evidence for this? It seems like a huge stretch, the claim is not sourced.
Furthermore, Dhatri's dialogue says "The major in charge at the time made a bad call - he thought Bitter Springs was full of Great Khan raiders..." and "the major froze up at the news, and we couldn't get another word out of him."
It's speculative, bordering on fan fiction, and is contradicted by in-game dialouge. It should be removed unless it has an in-game source. DavidSSabb (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Good catch, I concur this was wrong and glad you spotted it. Keep up the good work. kdarrow
take her for a spin! 04:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- I believe the source is likely one of Boone's ending slides where he's standing over a dead Gilles with the narration being about how he killed his Bitter Springs commanded officer. I'm not really sure how reliable that ending slide is, because to me that seems like posing the leader character of the location dead was easier than making an entirely new character for a single slide. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 04:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)