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Action

“In firearms terminology, an action is the physical mechanism that manipulates cartridges and/or seals the breech. The term is also used to describe the method in which cartridges are loaded, locked, and extracted from the mechanism.”— wikipedia

Therefore it's proper to say that this shotgun has a lever action, rather than to say it has a lever-action mechanic. Kris mailbox 04:04, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

gauge

i thought this thing was 10 gauge or at least my friend is

We won't know for sure until the game is released, but for now it's assumed to be 12-gauge since all the other shotguns are as well. Kris mailbox 19:14, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

You have a friend who is a 10 gauge? Lucky, my freind's only a 9mm... - RASIC^Talk 03:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

There's no such thing as a 9mm shotgun. Kris mailbox 13:03, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

There's no such thing as a 9mm assault rifle either. Nitty ^Tok. 13:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Game-based guns don't have to be real. But he's not talking about a gun from some video game, and a shotgun that could handle 9mm ammo wouldn't be worth a damn for actual shotgun ammo of any gauge. Kris mailbox 13:33, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Actully I was making a pun on how I had a freind who used 9mm ammo as the orginal comment was in such poor grammar it looked like he was saying his freind used 10 gauge like a gun. - RASIC^Talk 00:32, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you were trying to do there. Woulda been easier to see if you hadn't mocked his grammar. If you had said "You have a friend that's 10-gauge? Lucky you! My friend is only a 9mm!" I woulda gotten it, assuming that's what you meant. Kris mailbox 00:39, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Just corrected a bit of my own grammer whilst posting this but that was more or less what it said. But my previous grammar flaws may have offput it quite a bit. - RASIC^Talk 00:43, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

The Winchester 1887 in 10 gauge has not made since 1901, so 12 gauge is the most likely gauge. - I've owned an Winchester 1887 shotgun for 4 years 03:28, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Aorry about the bad grammar, anyway my friend owns an original 1887 made by winchester repeating arms dated 1893 in 10 gauge. And nitty there isn't a true 9mm assault rifle but there is the colt 9mm smg which is basically a colt car 15 in 9mm.

Actually, 9mm Assault Rifles exist. The 9x39mm is a russian cartridge developed mainly for special forces usage. Examples of this weapon are the 9A-91 and the VSS Vintorez. And there are kits to convert a Steyr AUG into 9mm, but that's 9mm Para, and doesn't count for this argument.--DreadZer0 12:33, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it 20 gauge?

In the various E3 vids, in some the player uses the Lever action shotgun, and when seen on the Pip-boy it says it fires 20 gauge rounds.
It should be added, I believe.
Did no one else notice this? :P

I think the sturdy caravan shotgun article says that it to is a 20 gauge. Maybe this Fallout will be 12 gauge free :(. The only problem is that the 1887 was only avalible in 10 and 12 gauge. Of course this is a game, and it wouldn't be that hard to convert the gun to a 20 gauge anyway. 20 gauge should at least cut down on weight in the hardcore mode without to much drop on damage.Billytheboy 18:09, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

wrong info

Hunting shotgun, Diner bell, and riot shotgun can all out damage it, cowboy or not. someone correct this page (locked) please?

That's why it says "20 gauges". :P Nitty ^Tok. 01:49, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

On paper, if you have Cowboy perk, it will outDPS the Hunting Shotgun. In practice however, it still does less damage per shot than the Hunting Shotgun that it sometimes fails to kill a human enemy (such as fiends) in 1 shot. It also has a high spread making it unsuitable for medium range while you can still get away with the Hunting Shotgun with buckshot shells at somewhat longer range. Apart from the Riot Shotgun, the Dinner Bell will also outdamage it. Flaktrooper, December 27, 2010.

Hey, they shotting/ V.A.T.S bug has also been observed on PS3 but needs confirmation. And it won't allow me to edit the section. HALP!

Based on the Winchester Model 1887/1901

This weapon is based on the Winchester Model 1887 lever action shotgun, with cut down stock. An updated version of this shotgun appeared in 1901. Copies of this weapon are produced today by Chiappa in Italy in 12GA, as the one in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMafmr2zaDA

this is actuay is a 1903

1887 was a black powder round a 1903 was designed for the smokeless powder we use today

Mods

You know, I think it would have helped the balance of the game to give the lever-action shotgun some mods, or a unique version - increases in damage, DPS, accuracy, etc - because then, with the cowboy perk, the lever action shotgun would be superior to the hunting shotgun, but without the perk it would be inferior, etc. This is for two reasons. 1, the 12 gauge shotguns are infinitely superior, no matter what you do, to the 20 gauge shotguns, and 2, because the LAS just looks silly without a stock when other lever-actions look like this. http://huntingexperienceforyou.com/wp-content/uploads/image/lever%20action%20shotgun(1).jpg

But lamenting what WASN'T done is fruitless. I hope in one of the upcoming DLC they add mods for weapons that already exist and not just new ones. (Woops, forgot to sign)--FAR-02C 17:20, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, they need to do more with the 20 gauge weapons. Not so much a stock for the Lever-Action, but maybe a lengthened loading tube and/or improved action, and things like a sawed-off barrel for the Single Shotgun for more damage, maybe an automatic extractor for increased reload times, and then maybe chromed barrels for the Caravan Shotgun for increased durability. And I do agree, unique variants would be awesome.

Due to the fact this shotgun is from Terminator 2,it would be nice if we got a mod that allowed us to hold the shotgun with one hand and "Flip-Cock" it,such as an aluminum receiver,and because it is lighter,it should be classified as a holdout weapon just my .02 Elite 20:01, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Where exactly do you get that a standard lever action shotgun with a pistol grip is from T2? That's like saying if there was a Harley in this game that it came from T2 as well.--Kingclyde 22:34, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

The Lever Action Shotgun is based off a real Winchester Model 1887 shotgun.it is easily identifiable from T2 due to the metal plate on the sawed off buttstock,that was put on there for better handling during flip cocking.and the only and first movie that used such a weapon was Terminator 2 Elite 23:12, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

So you have it that a developer said "Yeah this is based on the shotgun from T2 and not my buddies shotgun." Just because it was shown in one movie does not make it from that move. And no one in their right mind would "flip cock" anything. If they do, they need not handle firearms.--Kingclyde 23:15, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

The two shotguns used in T2 were 10 gauge shotguns (and there was a third rubber prop), and the one they used for flipcocking had it's lever expanded into a ring shape. But yes, aside from the exhibition shooting competitions, flipcocking is highly discouraged and much more likely to cause a jam.

01:43, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

The first thing I thought when I got ahold of one of these was 'holy crap, they put the shotgun from Terminator 2 in the game'. The metal grip on the stock is distinctive and pretty much gives it away, if not the fact that that film was more or less responsible for popularising the Winchester 1887 anyway. ;-) I'd happily use a flip-cock animation mod for this thing if it existed, it'd be fun to watch. (Though it oughtn't ever be a holdout weapon. Unless you hide it in a box of roses.) Paragost 16:06, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to hate on me for the idea.its a game,and if a real life human is strong enough to spin one,why can't someone in a video game?.it was just an idea.however,i do agree it would be very difficult to easily spin-cock a shotgun,due to the wight and obscene recoil.now a Volcanic Pistol on the other hand...well that's a discussion for the next DLC,not here.Elite 05:07, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Apparently I hit a nerve. I was not hating on you, I'm just a responsible gun owner that's all.--Kingclyde 07:40, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't mean to get all hissy,i just thought it would be cool to have a unique version of the Lever Action Shotgun that would be spun every time it is shot,im a Terminator fan,and have a Terminator-Style character on New Vegas.so you can have the normal one operate normally,and a unique version that is held with two hands then spun with one hand after each shot.Elite 18:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm don't mean to nitpick, but 1) Terminator is a movie, so it's really "real life" and 2) the Terminator is anything but a real human, he's a cyborg. --Kastera ^(talk) 19:06, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

what i mean by real life,is that if Arnold Schwarzenegger can spin a shotgun,why can't someone in a video game?,im not in the mood to start a flamewar,im just stating my opinionElite 22:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC) ~~

Glitches in VATS

I tried using this gun on an enemy in VATS and I just stood there as they took 90% of my health. Luckily, My companions killed him, but it happened twice. Wut do? --BattyFaster 10:55, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

No early locations?

I'm about to replay the game and was hoping to use this gun, and only one or 2 other weapons for the majority of the playthrough. Has anyone found it in the early stages of the game, like before reaching Novac? Would any Vipers carry it? Or do I have to wait until I reach Boulder city, or go straight to Red Rock Canyon from Goodsprings? Cheers.--Jolipinator 12:11, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Durable Dunn's Sacked Caravan is a good spot you can get to early on, as early as 2 if you use a stealth boy (earliest one you can get is from the safe in the school house in Goodsprings) to get past the deathclaws at Quarry Junction. One of the corpses there always has a Lever-action Shotgun and two sets of black Combat Armor.

Terminator 2

Assuming this is a 1887 like the article says, this is the same gun used by Arnold throughout the film. Seeing the post apocalypse connection, I couldn't help but think this might be worth adding to the behind the scenes...but this game can be Old West as much as doomsday. Am I just over thinking it, or is this worth adding? XxSick DemonxX (talk) 04:06, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Its a nice connection, but a little far fetched to include in the page. It's still cool to role play as the Terminator in game though! --Blazerblade2020 (talk) 15:39, July 2, 2016 (UTC)