Talk: Skire

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"Ban list"

That'd be very tiresome, especially with accounts that are only here for chat and never return when banned, spam accounts and so on. The policy up until now has been to leave a message that clearly outlines:

1. Duration of ban.
2. Reason of ban.
3. That the banned user shall, when his ban time is up, contact an administrator or moderator to get his ban removed.

We're hardly to blame if a person doesn't want to be unbanned, are we? Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

I was just about to say the same. Scarface has made a nice 'be banned, contact me in 3 days template' or sandbox page somewhere so he can help you set up a nice ban-message I think. Jasper42 has an ok one too. Let the bannee make the effort, the message in the ban-message is clear enough. Jspoel 15:58, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I was about to respond and saw this, yes, it's the users responsibility to see them unbanned.-- 19:07, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

NCR camps

It's better to name the category Fallout: New Vegas NCR camps. Then we know the game in which they appear. Like it is now, that's not clear at first sight. Jspoel 19:03, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

• Same for the Legion

Adding categories

I was thinking about adding a category for restaurants but I've forgotten how to add categories. Could you set it up for me? KiwiBird 19:04, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Great! Could you do more FO1 for me, my knowledge on it is very poor.

Moderator

Congrats for getting moderator! KiwiBird 20:08, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

There's the News change done for you now. Use your power wisely young Padawan - opps sorry, wrong game... I err mean Chosen one. Agent c 20:23, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well done, my apprentice. The force is strong in you. Jspoel 20:25, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Chat

I just left. Was I your first ban? :D KiwiBird 20:35, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, it made mine too-- 20:37, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

This page

I just stumbled across this page http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Drill_Sergeant . Having never seen this character before I checked the area in game where it says he should be but he wasn't there. I have a feeling it's a fake page, could you double check this for me? KiwiBird 22:10, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ah right, that's odd. ^.^ KiwiBird 22:16, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I can't find him either, but I believe he is spawned under certain circumstances, like during a quest? Can you tell me? Jspoel 22:42, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

For now I don't presume there's a bug. Just a note needs to be added in what circumstances he appears. Hope someone figures it out. I also want a better in-game image. Jspoel 22:58, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just consulted the GECK. He's seems to be connected to the A Final Plan for Esteban quest. Guess what I'm going to do next. Jspoel 23:07, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

The Drill Sergeant has been there in my game often, but not always. I don't remember seeing him after one of the game updates that removed a ton of extraneous npcs for performance improvements. Is this a possibility? I'm not on my computer with the geck or I'd check it for you. I will later if needed.The Gunny 00:42, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Things

When I publish my edits, then I see what I missed. And congratulations on becoming a moderator. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 22:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Patrol (copied from your archive)

With patrol right you can mark a revision as being checked. When you are given them, in recent changes you will see a red exclamation mark to the left of your screen, like here: (Rollback is at the end). When you click on diff you get a screen similar screen to this. Then you can check the edit and if it's good, click on Mark as patrolled. The exclamation mark will then disappear, letting other users know it's been checked. Jspoel 14:28, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, that's strange. Just taken a look at your

rights and you have rollback and patrol as you can see, so you should get the exclamation mark to the left side of your recent changes screen. Try asking TB or another moderator if he has the same problem.

That patrol checkmark in your user rights should give you that red exclamation mark and the Mark as patrolled in the difference page view. Maybe GhostAvatar knows. I'll ask him. If he doesn't know, I'll ask Wikia. Jspoel 02:05, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ghost tells me you don't get that exclamation mark and the Mark as patrolled on your difference page view. The only thing that's different is that every edit you make is being marked as patrolled. So your edits don't get that exclamation mark. Should be somewhere in the help pages, can't find it right now. Jspoel 02:45, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

James Hargrave

Ha! I didn't realize until you pointed it out - things seem pretty bleak - maybe I'll go reverse pickpocket 10,000 caps for him... But I do think it's accurate - he's a pretty troubled character and I thought the Background section should reflect that - it didn't really get at it before - and clearly the writers were making him seem miserable in the game. ---Person of Refinement 00:42, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

C.J. Young

I'm wondering why you reverted my edits on C.J. Young's page. I mostly rearranged the existing prose and made them less passive and more readable - I didn't change the content all that much. Just to name two issues:

"C.J. is as happy a kid as you'll find in the Wasteland. She's been raised by two loving parents and lives a great kid's life,"

"as happy a kid as" is too conversational for encyclopedic content and "lives a great kid's life?" Do we think she lives a Yao Guai's life? It's redundant and clunky - it's already clearly established that she's a "kid." I improved these issues, among others, in my edits. I'd like my edits reverted back - or improved upon - but mine is clearly superior to what was there before. ---Person of Refinement 00:51, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

The good old one-click accidental rollback... Thanks, SD54! ---Person of Refinement 16:47, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

5.56mm Pistol

Hey Sigma. Just a quick note: The 5.56mm pistol (and That Gun) don't use magazines as they are revolvers. A more correct term you could use would be "reloads". Didn't want to change your edit new moderator guy (and congrats)The Gunny 01:00, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

A magazine is any device in/on a repeating firearm that holds multiple cartridges. It can be tube magazine, like a Winchester repeater, a fixed magazine, ala the hunting rifle's mag, or a removable mag, often called a box mag, ala an M16. There are even more kinds. A clip (more properly called an en-bloc clip) is a small device that holds a number of cartridges together to insert into a weapon's fixed magazine, like an M1 Garand's. That's the thing that makes the "ping" sound when it is ejected from the weapon after all the rounds are expended. You can see my notes on the battle rifle talk page for a link to the US Army field manual for proper nomenclature. This should not be confused with a "stripper clip" which is a small (usually) metal rail that holds a number of cartridges in line for ease of inserting them into either a fixed mag, like how a Mauser or SKS feeds, or a box mag, like how you load cartridges into the M16's magazine. Hope this helps, always obliged. I never get tired of talking guns:)The Gunny 01:25, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I had the great pleasure to serve quite some time ago. As they say: "Old Marines never die, they just end up editing a gaming wiki whilst drinking dark beer and smoking Brazilian cigars". Well something like that.The Gunny 01:31, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I do not believe they show up to us. I think it just appears for everyone else.-- 01:43, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing my Firelance edit about saving and reloading encounters - not. Any reason? (other than it was at the time anonymous). Seemed useful enough advice to me. Yes its onerous but for a unique and powerful weapon that you can get ONLY through random encounters surely some would consider it worth the trouble? Not to mention that otherwise (as the article points out) you could totally miss out on it happening. I've got it this way 2 or 3 times with different characters.--Cally777 01:54, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Point taken. However I personally think that there's some confusion in the guidelines between 'objectivity' and 'strategy'. Strategy that works is by definition objective. In the case of the Firelance advice it would work 100% of the time (given sufficient attempts) and assuming that the event hadn't already been triggered inadvertently. Still perhaps questioning the basis for the philosophy of banning strategy is too much to ask.--Cally777 02:20, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. As the original contribution was in the form of a note, I assume I can just undo it? I may edit it slightly to make it clearer.--Cally777 03:50, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Rollback

I see how just getting rollback is fun and all, but I'd recommend only using it when needed; i.e. vandal attacks, many poor edits in a row and so on. Using the edit summary is invaluable when reverting edits, as it saves a massive amount of time when it comes to debates later. Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

About Saad

I saw your post to Saad and I'm going to have to be honest with you, it's a bad idea. Saad is just moody about being banned, his claims that Scar is a corrupt admin are baseless, I ask you, has he been able to show one scrap of harde evidence that Scar is in the wrong?
I can tell you first hand, and I'm sure so can many more chat regulars, that Saad earns any ban he gets. He lives for trolling, bringing up old arguments because he knows they will stur things up.
He's just doing what every blocked child does: blames the system. He knows full well that he's in the wrong, but cant accept or admit it.
TBH with you, there's no point anyone getting involved in this at all, Saad is just trying to do his usal pasttime of sturring shit and I advise you don't pay him any notice, eventually he'll get bored, grow up and either wait out his ban like a good boy or go away.
No offence dude, but this isnt really your area.
JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 19:59, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

By "not your area" I meant Saad isnt.Seeing as you havnt experienced first hand what he was doing, however yeah, I agree that this isnt my area any more than it is yours, if anything dealing with these people is an admins job, seeing as my responsibilities and powers end with chat.
Personally, I dont see how this way will solve the issue any better than ignoring him would, I'd say you're just reasuring his faith in thinking that whenever he gets banned he just needs to shout "POWER ABUSE" and suddenly be in the right.
Not only will the forum be a waste of everyone's time and effort, but it will just be full of a ton of other rule breakers who cant accept they did wrong having a shout at Scar, as proven with Tag a good admin makes a lot of enemies.
If everytime someone accused a chat mod of being corrupt we made a poll, we'd be knee deep in them now. Hell, I get it every third kick or so.
These peole are just trolls, it's anti productive to feed them.
JASPER//"Do you like hurting other people?" 20:17, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I know I'm late to the discussion, but it's not uncommon for chat trolls to then attempt to act innocent to the wiki. It happened to me before too. The best you can hope for is that they're banned from the wiki for chat violations. 114.77.77.5 07:53, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ivanpah Dry Lake rollback

Hello. I would also like to support what Scarface said about Rollback versus Undo, as I feel that important learning opportunities are denied to contributors when to explanation is given for the reversion of a serious edit.

Also, I was hoping you might be willing to comment on your previous reversion to my Ivanpah Dry Lake article edits. I talked to Jspoelstra about it and he had some helpful comments (and put some of my changes back in after performing in-game verification of them), but I thought it might be informative to get your perspective as well.

Thanks! --^(talk) 20:20, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Dalptest

Although it is nice to see creating those pages, it just ain't worth having no content. I learned from that experience. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 23:07, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

I know, but you could ask someone with a G.E.C.K. If that doesn't work, that leave it. , unfortunately. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 23:11, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Mystery's right. When you create a new page, at least add some extra info than just what the template offers, like some infobox stats, maybe image. If you can't, than don't create it. Jspoel 23:13, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Viva la Vegas

The cut quest is not important enough to share a disambig page with the clothing. Just a note at the top of the clothing page to the cut quest is enough. Jspoel 23:28, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Everyone could have done that, by copying the content to the other page and then place a redirect in the page you copied from. Jspoel 23:34, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

*Scratching his head* Mmm, you got me there. That's true. Good things I did it then.

From every mistake you learn, because I tell you what you did wrong so you'll do it right next time. The mistakes will become less and less, your knowledge will grow and so will your confidence. Soon enough you don't need me to correct you anymore. Jspoel 23:52, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalising

They have a tendency to attack furries. A bit sad really. Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

Glasses

Yes, that one had become a bit of a mess. Jspoel 02:22, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hi right back at ya, pal

You do know I'm Yessie, right? Scar was one of the first people I met here (well, the first was Jake). That was back before Scar was an admin. Hell, that was before Scar was a moderator. He was just plain ol' Scar back then.

Those were fun times, when I was a normal user. I didn't know what the hell I was doing here; I was under the impression Admins were higher than Bureaucrats and I asked Kas on my first day if he could give Gauzz blocking rights so that he could get rid of a troll. And when I met Tagz after saying I liked Fallout 3, my response to his long rant about why Fallout 3 sucked was "Sorry, dude. I just liked Fallout 3 better". I had no idea he was the king of Fallout 3 criticism. I also didn't know what reverting was, and would remove vandalism manually (by pressing edit and deleting the vandalism). It wasn't long before someone told me what reverting was, when I then reverted the edit of Clydey. Who'd have thought he'd become a Bureaucrat?

It was only until Porter set up chat that I entered (I was the third person to use chat, after Whacky Yacky and Porter himself) and I actually got to know how things worked here. Then people seemed to like me, so they told me I should become a chat moderator. I only really nominated myself because I thought it was the polite thing to do, and sure enough I was one of the first four chat moderators the wiki ever had. Things began to pick up after that; I was recognised in the community and I was getting my edits up. Sure, I was vandalised and verbally abused by many trolls because I would chat ban them or remove their edits, but it didn't phase me.

Then the moderator role was introduced. I gave my application, a day after Scar did his, and I became a mod. I never really got the hang of rollback; I didn't know if I should use it for vandalism only or for all edits. But I was glad to have it. Things were going good. I was a mod here, an Admin at Fallout Answers, and an admin at the Vault Armory (although not affiliated with this site, the users from here would edit there). That is until Ausir decided that the Wiki would split. I went over to the new wiki for a little while. A few days there, at most. But things were changing too quickly too fast. There were no edits at the new wiki, no more chat, and the recent changes page was hard on the eyes. They didn't even have blogs. It was a very different place.

I lost interest in it all. Which is a shame, because I was going to run for administrator if the Wikis hadn't split. If it weren't for J this wiki would've died with the split. He stayed here and inspired people to edit, and then Clyde took charge and brought this place back from the dead. But I had already lost interest. I made my long dramatic blog speech which was basically just a way of me saying I wasn't going to edit anymore and that I was giving up on the moderator position. That was about the same time that you joined the wiki. Now I just edit as an anon who tries to stay anonymous, but apparently everyone knows my IP off by heart despite the fact I never outright stated who I was to them (See how much they like me? It's uncanny!).

I only lasted as much as six months. It was a shame too, if you had joined earlier I'm sure we would've been good friends here. Hell, I consider everyone a friend here (except for the trolls and vandals). But sadly, that wasn't the way it ended. That's basically all I have to tell you. Sorry for the wall of text, but it was a long story... hopefully it was one worth reading. I'll see you around. 114.77.77.5 04:09, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

New name

Yes, I've seen it. I've just sent Wikia a mail about it. Looks like I can't stop this steamtrain anymore, but maybe there can be some compromises here or there. I'll send Kingclyde a post about it. Jspoel 21:02, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Jasper

I didn't feel like fluffing out on the details to an anon I'd just banned. I'd also recommend editing out the insult, rather than just striking it. Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

Yeah, as much as these "humorous additions" might be entertaining, they also compromise your position as moderator. Everything that happens on a wiki, stays on that wiki. No exceptions. Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

If you ask me, he deserved it. But I gotta agree with Scar; if you piss someone off, they'll dig this stuff up to try and get back at you. I called a troll a dumbass once in chat before banning them, and they made a big deal out of it to GhostAvatar.... who then banned him from the wiki forever. Well, okay, that had a good ending on my behalf, but if the troll had gone to any other admin I would've had a problem. 114.77.77.5 23:17, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Helpp

Hey Sigma, was just wondering how do you put a picture into your custom signature. Been having some trouble with it. The Australian Kiwi 23:33, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Haha cheers. Iv'e changed the font already noticed that just after I signed x)

Moderator request vote thingy

I chose to not vote for a simple reason, and that was that I wanted to give you a fair judging. T'is my opinion that high-profile members of the community (I hate calling myself that, but what the hell) should vote in the last minute, as others invariably will follow suit, despite their own opinions. Democracy, as shitty as this may sound, is a popularity contests. That's why I, more often that not, abstain to vote. ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"} 23:42, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

M=Minutes

I saw your edit on the Ant nectar page. If you are "converting" this, could you do it on all Fallout: New Vegas consumables? MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 22:32, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes, it certainly will. But could you find someone else? I'm fixing the Fallout 3 consumables. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 22:36, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

If you say so. Oh, and could you change the H to hours and s to seconds? MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 22:40, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Keep in mind the poisons and chems/alcohol. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 22:45, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Minutes

I'd rather see you change m to min. instead of minutes. With minutes it moves the word to the next line in Internet Explorer and that's less readable. Jspoel 22:53, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

When there's enough space, you can write minutes.

20's not thaaat much.

Yes, atomic cocktail is an example. Min. just fits.

Wasn't even that much work, eh? Still some FO3 ones left. And links needs fixing too. You know how? Go to a consumable main page (radroach meat f.e.) and click on My Tools (bottom screen), What links here. Then you'll see pages that have a link to radroach meat. Change the link to [[Radroach meat (Fallout 3)|radroach meat]] if it's a FO3 page, same thing for FNV. Jspoel 00:00, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Logo Poll

I wanna keep the poll closed until all entries are in... just so each entry gets a fair chance at everyones vote - I think last time there might have been problems with some people not always coming back to have their say.

I think its going pretty well at the moment, with the collaboration and ideas going on... I'm also intending a special news digest to feature the entries. Agent c 00:15, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Award

You have been given your very own optimistic robot. Your efforts and diligence have not gone unnoticed, and you have been given a small token of appreciation. For your hard work filling the moderator shoes 114.77.77.5

Scar said that you figured out which anon I was. Or rather, which user I used to be. So, uh, I guess you get a present. Enjoy. 114.77.77.5 00:20, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, I had no idea he was being sarcastic. Anyway, glad you like it. 114.77.77.5 00:53, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Gasp

Obviously, if I had left for good, I wouldn't have seen his message to Ausir and responded! No, I'm still going to be around; I'm just not as active here as I am at The Vault. Mostly if something fishy shows up in my e-mail, I'll take action; otherwise I do my editing at the other wiki, so there's no need to cry :'(. --Kastera ^(talk) 02:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew the welcome was automated. As for the rest of my message to him, it was more for politeness than anything else. But thank you for clarifying anyway. --Divine Paladin 02:21, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Tezzla

I might be able partially answer your question Though he was before my time, from what I see, he was an administrator (!), but after a while he started trolling. People stripped his adminship and banned him, though after a while they learned he was also named Trolly Polly. I think you can ask some of the "old timers" for more info (if it exists). MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 19:43, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I find it more than disturbing that administrator has been banned... As if he changed. Maybe he got ahead of himself with "power". But I trust that his ban was for "greater good". MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 19:47, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

As for any promotion, since I can't get into chat, I think I'll skip the nomination for moderator and go directly for administrator. However, I'll have to wait until March, according to the rules. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 19:51, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

The "catch" is that I was banned and I have to continue contribute until March (at least I think so). According to the rules, you have to wait as well to March to nominate for administration because you need to wait 2 months for new nomination. As for the chat, whenever I try getting into the chat, a small image comes at the bottom and says that pop-ups were blocked. I trust the security, but I don't know if it is comfortable disabling it. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 19:58, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

He's sort of a strange one. From what I've seen, he's a good editor and vandal catcher and then will randomly start making everyone's lives harder. No one has been able to get rid of him for good so we just consider him a necessary evil. Skål! 19:53, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to invade here... When Tez was good, he was verry verry good, but when he's bad he likes to think he's rotten. He's just a bit immature I think - he wrote some good news pieces, and looked like he was on track fr adminhood (although got rejected narrowly); I think he only had rollback (this was before the moderator role was created)- but back then I was more of an occasional visitor/researcher than fully moved in as I am now.

That said, his trolling deserves a 0/10 for effort and effectiveness, here at least, because we have (in the past at least) have had a lot of admins and trusted rollback users. I think he then came back as flower-of-pock-lips (or at the very least, FOPL had a very similar MO IIRC).

I think he and the bad crowd he fell into caused a lot of problems on the FalloutAnswersWiki though, but they have a sparse admin team.

One day, when he grows up, he could be a great admin. Agent c 20:09, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

If he ever all grows up. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 20:11, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Had another good Admin go troll also if you've ever seen AreYouGoingToEatThatNuke? floating around. Heh, yeah I've been mostly away from this wikia for awhile now since my love from Norway came to stay with me for the past month. I should be more active again by next week once I get my work schedule figured out now that she's gone. See you around though and have a good one. EDIT: And I almost forgot! Congrats on the recent promotion and keep up the great work! Seems I'll need to do some catching up soon. ;) Skål! 20:00, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Explanation - Tezzla

Tezzla was never an administrator, but he applied for it no less than five times. He did a massive amount of -fairly meaningless - edits, and he was a douchebag all the way through. He got banned for some minor things such as using abusive language in blogs and so on, until the day he decided that it'd be fun to post a video with Benny Hill music playing during the 9/11 tragedy. That was when he got banned for a month This was during my lurking days.

Apparently he couldn't wait a month. A new account, Trolly Polly arrived shortly afterwards, and started making equally meaningless edits and adding small nitpicky articles, hell, he even hosted the news digests. After a while he actually admitted to being Tezzla and both accounts were permanently banned. He later returned under many different names.

I would also like to point out that, unlike what the anon says, he was not Flowers/Lugiatm/Aestune. That was someone else, equally troublesome.

I remember Lugiatm. :/ That was interesting chapter in the trolling history involved here. SaadSwati sort of reminds me of him seeing as in how he always demanded evidence and with the falsifying of wikia staff involvement. Skål! 20:06, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

And that, is the story of T E Z Z L A --Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

Oh, not Tezzla. You know, if you talk about him too much he'll show up and spam the crap outta the wiki (not really). I had the displeasure of meeting every single account he had. He was annoyingly smug in all of them, especially from a self-professed thirteen year old. Sometimes he'd straight out say who he was, other times he'd just start vandalising, and then sometimes he'd just keep quiet and sit in chat until he'd get bored and start to mess with people.

He deems himself a "God of Trolls". That's not to say he's bad at trolling. In actual fact, he was very, very good at riling up the community. It's just that he wouldn't last long after the admins found out who he was. That, and it's a lot easier to revert an edit than it is to ruin a page. 114.77.77.5 21:15, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Lurking...

Ahaha, that really got to you, didn't it? Well, lurking as in that you keep check of all the conversations that go on, despite you not being involved, and occasionally popping in on them. Not saying that lurking has to be a bad thing, mind you. Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

I could have been your daddy.

Nei, I am American. Wouldn't really consider myself a citizen though since I'm almost never there. lol Skål! 20:14, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Other than my last name being Garoux and my profession as being a bartender, (Although I'm working at café at the moment.) I wouldn't really believe any of the information I put up about myself. :P Skål! 20:19, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Da hool

There should be a "Edit" button there for you, and if not, the page needs to be unlocked for public editing. Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

Consumable links

You can check the Category:Consumables to see which overview pages you can use the What links here tools on. If you see links to navboxes, then the navbox needs updating. Otherwise, there are still plenty of overview pages for which the navboxes have been fixed, like strange meat (has also links to strange meat pie). What remains still needs fixing. I moved some consumables pages yesterday (see move log). You can check those too. Jspoel 20:02, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, what?

You, as a chat moderator, can "cover the night"? Wow, that sounds great! Too bad you're never in the chat room. At all. -- Almighty Higgey _{(talk page)} 21:46, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

• Please, I live a very simple, boring life. I'm in chat almost every goddamn hour of every goddamn day and you are extremely rarely in there. Don't piss in my ear and call it rain. -- Almighty Higgey _{(talk page)} 16:24, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

È giorno straniere. Il tuo titolo dovrebbe essere in una lingua diversa!

Man, I wish my IP would recycle. Then I could really be anonymous. As long as I don't blow my cover again. 114.77.77.5 00:19, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well if i sp33k lik this ppl will not no its me. all i gotta do is shout pwr abyoos wenever a admin dus n e thing n i will blend in2 da crowd.

How was that? I'm sure I can sound like your run-of-the-mill anonymous user if I put my heart to it. 114.77.77.5 00:30, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Why, thank you! 114.77.77.5 00:36, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Mod

It's fine. I just wanted to make it clear that my dissatisfaction was not expressed at your vote rather the way you said it. All the mods here fairly cover all time zones and no one sees you in there. That's fine again. This particularly upsets me. As you know, my request for modship was denied the first time. I had to do quite a bit of work in order to build my reputation and edits. So I was elected, and I believe (and others have said) that I'm doing a damn good job. So what I'm saying in a nutshell is, your a chat mod, take it seriously. I understand that your prospects most likely sit in becoming an Admin. If your going the mod route however, take it seriously. I believe you said the same thing to Hawk, about being able to do the same thing after elected. Don't be a hypocrite. Just being blunt in all of this.-- 00:32, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

I do quite understand. I go to school from 7am to 2:15pm and work four days out of the week from 4pm to about 10:30pm. Heres what I'm saying, it's cool that you want to be an edit oriented person, it's great, a lot of people I like that. What I want you to know is if you are going to be a Chat mod, you must fulfill that commitment. I know your busy, I am too, but I try to get on here in my free time to uphold my position.

I don't know if that was sarcasm or what, but quite frankly, I really could careless. Adieu.-- 00:47, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

I said I could care less whether or not it was sarcastic, it really doesn't matter.

Don't conform to the man, man!

I have to disagree with you on your reasoning for changing your vote. If you feel as if he doesn't deserve the moderator position quite yet, then you should definitely stick to your guns. Even if the opposition is mostly right, you shouldn't change your vote because of pressure from the community. That's what being a leader is all about. (You can always tell when you're getting there when people start to despise your decisions.) ;) My two cents at least! Skål! 00:53, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Naturally, it is your decision to make in the end! Just remember that every vote counts. If not to determine who wins/loses, then it is to determine your stand-points on current affairs. Let's us get a handle on the sort of person you are and what we can expect for in the future. Skål! 00:57, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

“You can always tell when you're getting there when people start to despise your decisions”— Leon Garoux

Not to sound egotistical, but a way of avoiding that is to do what I did. I would meekly state my opinion filled with compliments to the other side of the argument and making myself seem reluctant to voice my opinion. If you make it seem like you completely understand where the other side is coming from, even if you completely despise who they are or what they're saying, people will listen. For example:

Anon: I think that the Vault needs less moderators.

Yes-Man: Well, although this is just my opinion, and I can't change your beliefs within a paragraph or two, I would kindly disagree. I see where you're coming from (complete lie) and I respect your beliefs (another lie) but I do believe that with more moderators we can have more people watching after the Vault and making sure there is less vandalism. I can't speak on behalf of the Vault's fine administrators, and my opinion is only one out of many, but I do sincerely hope you could reconsider and think about the majority of users. Thanks.

Now, as you can imagine, I wanted to tell the anon that he was a complete and utter idiot, but instead I just sugar coated my words and made him think his argument was the least bit important while at the same time stating my opinion. Sure, there were times when I would get pissed off at someone and speak my mind, but it was only if they truly deserved it.

Generally, people liked the happy-go-lucky attitude that came with the Yes-Man avatar and username. So I kept it up for them. It's not too hard to make someone you hate think you're a good person. 114.77.77.5 01:14, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ooooooor.... you can be a mean bastard like me and blaze a trail through here while climbing up a mountain of Anon corpses. Either way is fine, really. Skål! 01:16, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Don't think about it too much... not everyone is going to like you. That and most of the renown users here aren't going to hold a grudge against you over something so small and petty. (Except Tag maybe. I mostly agreed with him but he knew how to get people to hate him. xD) Skål! 01:22, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Being evil works too, actually. The personality extremes are popular around here. Either you act like a puppy hugging, flower sniffing goody two shoes which makes people like you, or you go the other end and you're a completely evil, verbally and emotionally abusive yet extremely intelligent bastard who does a damn good job at the Vault. Either way, people will recognise you and are more likely to see your contributions, and in the end, that's the most important thing when becoming an administrator.

(Just a disclaimer, I like Tagz, but he is known for being a self-professed "professional bastard" around here) 114.77.77.5 01:23, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Started a new title, don't know why

Hmm... that is true. Unless you do such a damn good job that they have no choice but to vote for you. Let's put it this way: When I joined the wiki, Scar, Kast and Cart were not admins. Ghost wasn't a bureaucrat, nor was Clyde. There was no such thing as a moderator. So I've seen quite a few adminship/modship forums.

Now, as you may know, Scar and Cartman are not the most popular for being vocal about their opinions on Fallout 3. A lot of people hated them because they didn't have the same opinions. But Scar and Cart worked so damn hard on this wiki that it didn't matter what they liked; they were such good editors that it far outweighed their personal taste in videogames.

You could do it my way, and be the happy, cheery editor who makes friends in chat and so forth. Or you could do it the way I've seen been done, which is work hard and really show how dedicated you are. There will be people who don't like you, and that's fine. Considering there are 7 billion people on Earth, someone is bound to dislike you.

But if you really prove to those people that it's more important to be a hard working user than a friend, they'll vote for you. And if they don't someone else will. I voted on Kastera's poll without even knowing him. I just saw what his contributions were and I thought "That's admin material". And look at him now. 114.77.77.5 01:53, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Masterman467

He took it upon himself to make those edits after hearing a few of us in chat questioning why the infoboxes seemed to display the incorrect crit chance% on the Avenger. He should have either waited until we fully understood what the issue was (Ghost talked us through it) or used the preview button to check his changes. But it wasn't intentional vandalism, it was just bad judgement and lack of knowledge of how to use the editor. I'll be back in chat for a bit if you have any more questions. The Gunny 03:01, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

DPS

My understanding is in the main namespace we're official fallout stuff, and DPS here didn't meet it for me... I can't find it again to take another look (it seems to be gone from my contributions list, so perhaps someome else zapped it.

But the Wasteland surivival guide is big on the strategy style stuff, maybe the article might fit better there? Ram's heavily involved with that - might be worth hooking them up. Agent c 20:21, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Links

Thank you, I've been working on this "redirecting project" for quite some time. MysteryStranger: Trust in the power of Infinity! 20:23, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Chat

i got your message and now im back --vault girl76 22:33, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

I unbanned her. Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

Lurking

Of course, I am a master lurker. How else did you think I managed to get this far? Hugs ^{"Say 'ello to my little friend!"}

:|

He instantly lost all of my initial respect when he threatened an admin for removing his videos and then left me a comment of how he would never bow down to me and my views. The guy is a nut-job... soooo nei. I don't think I will treat him as I would a normal user/anon. Skål! 01:09, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

It definitely made my night! The internet sure does know how to breed the weirdos. :3 Skål! 01:35, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Slider.

I'm not seeing any particular reason why we should keep it. (See my recent comment to Clyde) I listed my reasons and so far I haven't seen any valid counter-points. Skål! 01:33, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Just bothered me again when the random page button brought me back to that article. It just seems like an odd note to add when bloatfly sliders have nothing in common with real-world sliders. In my opinion, I think the real-world weapon comparison rules should be present here also. Shouldn't have them unless confirmed by the devs. Skål! 01:43, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Arefu

Please ask me for my reasons before reverting an edit of mine. The Family were not vampires. They were cannibals who eventually decided it would be safer for them to just drink the blood of their victims without killing them instead of just killing them and eating their bodies. They are not vampires. Because of this, I don't see any reason to connect them with Dracula. Skål! 02:07, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're wrong there. Their leader himself even mentions that they are not vampires. They only decided to follow the vampire way (Mind you, only following their ways of drinking blood. Nothing else. Drinking blood does not make you a vampire.) for drinking blood so they wouldn't have deaths on their conscious or the attention of those who might want to be rid of them for their crimes. They are cannibals. At the point of the PC meeting them for the first time, they still haven't started drinking blood for the most part. It is only a new idea that Victor plans on integrating into his new rules for The Family. They do, indeed, still eat of the flesh. The only reason why you can get an alliance between The Family and Arefu is because you find an easy way for them to just drink blood. Also, an admin's edit does't necessarily mean the edit is infallible. I have reverted admin's edits also in the past. Skål! 02:19, January 12, 2012 (UTC)