Hey editors. Recently, I've run across the New California page, originally going as the Core Region. I knew of this page before, but its recent name change has caused me to notice some issues.
Naming
Ok, so we got the Fallout endings as one source for New California, and a questionable source in the NCR history holodisk, so I will leave that be. My question is, where does the name Core Region come from? I got one admin vaguely remembering a dialogue line from Fallout 2 (which I cannot find), but other than that I (and others) have seen and found nothing either in game or from devs. Is it a name the wiki made up or just very well hidden?
Where IS New California??
As far as I can tell, there are three theories of where New California is:
- New California is the maps of Fallout and Fallout 2
- New California is the region controlled by the New California Republic
- New California is just California with a "new" name
If you look at the New California page, even it is unclear where it is. This paragraph alone contradicts itself on its location:
A small portion of New California appears in Fallout: New Vegas, from the California-Nevada state line to the edge of the map, encompassing the region near Nipton and covers the Mojave Outpost. The Mojave Outpost, however, is not part of New California or the Mojave Wasteland, but rather a boundary or border between the two wastes.
Mojave Outpost is directly west of Nipton, so this paragraph is literally stating: "The Mojave Outpost is part of the New California, but is not part of it." Basically, it seems this entire page is speculation.
Comments
So, anyone have any thoughts? Thank you Paladin117>>iff bored; 02:56, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
I'm all but convinced it's a fictional term non-existent from our beloved fictional world. I've played both Fo1 and Fo2 pretty extensively and have never ran into the term 'Core Region' once. New California on the other hand? A few times. Until a citation outlining the name directly comes up, I think the jury's out on this one. 03:19, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
My understanding is that the term is an invention of this very website. Something was needed to differentiate the main content from Fallout 1/2; calling it "california" wasn't exactly true as it includes bits of other states from a legacy perspective, and not all is confirmed in game to be NCR yet, so "Core region" was invented as a result. Agent c (talk) 03:23, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
- Likely coined to clear up the three contending theories for what "New California" entails.
I'm not certain on any one of the theories proposed but after reading the ending slides and holodisk I am confident that "New California" does not pertain to the land holdings by NCR party because the holodisk uses the term "New California Relations Advisery Panel" and the ending slides that refer to "New California" are independent of NCR ending slides and therefore the term is invoked disjoint from NCR.
As for the "new" simply being added to the name somewhere down the line, it still raises some thoughts. When the 13 commonwealths were made to divide up the 50 states California was cut in half (the crippling thought just occurred to me that I am unaware of a citation for the creation of these commonwealths or that California was separated by them) and the word "new" was added for one of the two split parts. That, or the "new" came in-use after the war to denote its resettlement by the survivors. Without any citation I'm aware of for this, I am not confident in this theory either.
Last one's not much better because it still doesn't clarify a start and end of the territory. "It's the name given to the overall/main setting of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 as it is referred to in-game through (the sources listed in this forum and those identifying the main setting being the same in Fallout 2 as well as 1)." I couldn't find its usage in Fallout 2 but given that the game-world is almost identical I think we can safely say it is.
Honestly, I'm not sure which one it is. I'm the most confident in that it's the setting for Fallout 1 and 2, but beyond that I don't know what it encompasses in later titles. I know our stance on speculation is "No" but this is a cloudy subject that I feel might be best to have cleared up with these three theories being stated on the page for the readers' benefit. I would argue the uncertainty it entails is arguably more beneficial to readers than psuedo-certainty or just basic information that might not be saying it all.
The only thing I find incontestable is that it's the name of the general region in Fallout 1 and 2. Everything else, I feel, is in need of discussion. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 23:45, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
I always thought 'New California' just simply meant that it's California, but well, new and re-established in the post-apocalyptic society. Same thing as to why Las Vegas is now 'New Vegas'. I've never come across the term 'Core Region' when playing the first two games however, it seems to be a term that has popped out of thin air. I understand it refers to all the areas from the first two games, but what a random name, this 'Core Region'!
Brandon Fox (talk) 23:51, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
Reviving
I know this forum didn't get very far, but I would now like to suggest what I think should be done. I think we should create a page (or pages) for the regions of Fallout and Fallout 2, similar to the Capital Wasteland and Mojave Wasteland pages, and turn the New California page into a redirect to either it or the Southwest Commonwealth. This new page(s) should be written from scratch, not copied from New California, because of the rampant speculation on that page. What this page(s) would be called, I don't know. Maybe we could finally make Fallout map and Fallout 2 map pages and add the info to them, instead of redirecting to the World map page. Anyone have any thoughts? Paladin117>>iff bored; 21:39, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
Question: as far as the term itself, how thoroughly has the investigation gone? Are we merely asking the community, and making a decision based on what they do or do not know? Or has anyone actually attempted to revive the source of this information? Because I do not really support a decision made off of general ignorance of any given situation. What I suggest is finding the user(s) that confirmed and added that term, and asking them directly. If they are anonymous or can no longer be contacted at this point in time, I would ask the veteran users that were around at that time and allowed the term to stay. After these possibilities have been investigated, then I would say make a decision from there. Some Assembly Required! 21:43, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
- The source for Core Region is JE Sawyer's RPG, which we have no real copy of besides an inaccurate wiki. The source for New California is the Fallout endings and maybe the NCR history holodisk. However, those only give us the name, without actually saying what New California is, one of my main problems with the page. Paladin117>>iff bored; 21:47, March 19, 2014 (UTC)