Forum:Adminship Request - Theodorico

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Request

Greetings, fellow Nukapedians! I'm Theodorico and this is my request for administrative rights.

Intro

I have been here for about 8 months now. My English is horrible, so I'm focusing on the technical stuff, like: botworks, templates, css, images, sounds and e.t.c. These are the main areas in which I can be most usefull for Nukapedia. Also, I'm a pratroller for about 5 months now.

Major contrubutions

• My work for Fallout 3 and New Vegas quotations project.
• Overhaul of FO3 and FNV endings and intros - added sounds, missing slides; clarified in-game conditions.
• Language sections for the tribes of Zion.
• {{Inline quote}}, {{Notable content}}, additional programming for {{ibValue}}
• Botworks:
  • Recategorization of Category:Human_characters.
  • New templates implementation
  • Progress tables for Bug Verification Project

Edit counts

Me: There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

My bot: There should have been a list of this user's edit counts here, but the edit counts feature is no longer available.

Reasons why

• My work with templates and CSS requires access to protected pages.
• Maintenance.
• Vandals.

--Theodorico (talk) 01:21, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Poll

Poll finished on 1:21 am March 12, 2013 (UTC).

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• Please do not edit other user's votes.

Yes

1. Normally, I would prefer to see a chatmod history to get a gauge as to how the admin ban tools might be used, and how bans might be communicated. However You have a need, as getting admin access will allow you access to some of the technical/protected areas of the wiki. Agent c (talk) 01:27, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
2. With your reasons for requesting adminship and what you do, I see no reason to say no. Richie9999 (talk) 01:34, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
3. He doesn't have to act or behave as a C-mod if he doesn't want to, but he needs adminship to access a great deal of things he's proven to take an interest in. So with that sole idea in mind, Theodorico should be granted these rights unless not being able to enforce C-mod capabilities is a deal breaker. --The Ever Ruler (talk) 01:38, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
4. After reconsidering, you're basically an admin but you just don't have the title yet. It'd be more of a convenience and I suppose not every admin needs to enforce chat here. ^{"Semper Invictus"} 20:59, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
5. With the absence of Porter21 on the wiki we need someone who can step in with first hand technical knowledge. Gunny has done a great job thusfar but I think Theo in an admin position will only further to strengthen the wiki as a whole. ^{nihil novi sub sole} 04:34, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
6. Theo has been a huge help to me, and others around the wiki. If it weren't for him I would still be working on the bug charts. He is a solid editor and knows his way around a bot. I don't think I have to remind anyone that maintenance aspects are mostly bot handled, and once Porter left we haven't really had anyone filling his role. Theo isn't horrifically active in the community, but to be perfectly honest, he doesn't have to be, Admins were around before chat and everything else associated with that area of the wiki, we have moderators for that stuff. With Fallout 4 approaching, we are going to need more people like Theo here. ---bleep196- (talk) 04:55, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
7. He has demonstrated more than enough technical expertise and dedication to qualify for the position. He also shows actual need to have administrative privileges to keep on with his work properly, something that shouldn't be overlooked. Some are arguing he's not community oriented, but I rather see that as a positive feature, not a lack. We have more than enough community admins, and diversity is invaluable.
   
   Limmiegirl ^{Talk! ♪}
8. I support Theo's administrative request as he has demonstrated the know how, and the want to, of an admin. And of course, he needs, and we need him, to have these rights to further his great work here on the wiki. He has my unwavering support. --The Old World Relics ^{(talk/blog/contributions)} 19:54, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
9. Considering everyone here has good reasons, you get a from me. I just would like to see you in the community a bit. ^{"Steal from the best, and call it research!"} 20:00, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
10. His technical expertise would make him an amazing asset to our team, and I would be proud to work with him. When Fallout 4 comes out, we may need to make technical modifications to keep our standards where we like them, and he would prove invaluable there. --TwoBearsHigh-Fiving 20:41, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

No

1. - I'm very sorry, but I just cannot vote yes on this request. You do great work around here, and you are very helpful when it comes to templates and such. But that is not all that goes into being an Administrator. Your editing qualifications would easily have me voting for you into a moderator position. And I would fully support you getting into contact with Wikia to give you access for editing our template pages and such as a moderator. But to be an Administrator, you also need to have more social qualifications. You do not know the chat feature, nor how to properly gauge situations that occur in there. Not only this, but you are a relative unknown to most of the community here aside from those you personally work with. You don't really participate in community events, and you don't have much interaction with other users. Until I see more evidence that you can handle the responsibilities of being an Administrator, I cannot in good faith vote in favour of this request. This is nothing personal against you. I just need to see a bit more initiative first in dealing with situations around here and how to talk to other users. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 01:33, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
   

Excluded votes

- I'm very sorry, you're a great Patroller, and you're a very good editor, and I mean that as much as I can possibly put it, put you just don't seem to be as into the community as an admin needs to be. Admin's are not only equipped with extra editing tools, but are also expected to deal with community problems as they arise. I may or may not change my decision, but this stands here as of now. I hope you keep editing though. ^{"Semper Invictus"} 01:37, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

Now I know the normal convention is for bureaucrats to hold their tongues until admin requests have run their course, but I want to make sure everyone knows exactly what Theo brings to Nukapedia:

• He is the only user who knows how to program and run a python based fully functioning bot.
• He is by far the most advanced CSS (custom style sheet, the code that changes the way the wiki looks) editor we have.
• His programming knowledge allows him to construct more complex template solutions than I can, more complex than any other user here.
• He is incredibly detail oriented. I can state this with the many projects I've worked on with him. Give him a hurdle to overcome and he finds a workable solution.

Some of you may not know Theo. He keeps a pretty low profile. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly what he does, and can do (that no one else can), when they vote. Thank you for your time. The Gunny   01:41, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to remind everyone that the Administrator tools are not handed out simply for knowing templates and such, as uncommon of a trait as this is these days. As Administrators, we show up as the people to go to when incidents arise. We have a tab that details each of us, and we also send out auto welcome messages to new users from the last Admin to edit. So while being technical-minded is nice and all, we also have to factor in whether or not they can handle community-issues, and whether or not they have proper judgment. I am seeing little to no proof for these so far, and I would personally suggest having these traits either shown or matured before Administrator tools are even considered. My thoughts. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 01:47, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

• Chat/Social skills/Conflict management - Fair critique, but... well, don't you think that you are setting the plank too high? You are expecting me to be great in every aspect of wiki activity. That's not how communities work. I'm here to offer all the help I can provide, and I'm expecting to get help when I need it - that's what community is for. In short: I'm covering technology, you are covering the chat, together we are performing much better than each one of us apart. Otherwise, let's wait for a messiah, who will be dealing with everything, all by himself. And, please, check my talk page, to see how exactly I'm treating fellow editors.
• "You don't really participate in community events" - How's this or this not a community event? And I'm taking my part - providing technical assistance and workforce. No offence, but, please don't take my input for granted - it's a hard work and from time to time I finding myself doing things I'm not interested in. Why? Because, community wants them to be done and I'm the only one who can do it. I don't really have any choice. Yes, that's my interpretation of taking part in community.

Conclusion: Please, don't dismiss my offer of services, just because I'm not that perfect. --Theodorico (talk) 08:14, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm taking your skills for granted. I'm really not, and I've shown my appreciation many times over for the help that you've provided to Nukapedia. But I've been here since the release of Point Lookout, (I was an anon, too, for a bit.) and I've seen how hectic and stressful it gets. Hell, I became an Administrator after the split with us and The Vault, and there were still days that really wore at me. I have the feeling that most of the current Sysops don't really remember this, mostly being post-split Sysops. So it's not that I'm expecting you to be a God amongst editors before I would consider you for Administrator. What I'm concerned about is whether or not you can handle the stress. Whether you can show proper judgment when you have multiple users and their problems being thrown your way. Because as an Administrator, you will be expected to handle more responsibility aside from purely editing or participating in a few forums that require your talents. And to me, it seems like you've actively avoided the social side of Nukapedia, and I see this as a crippling factor into all of this. So please don't think that I'm depreciating the skill sets that you already possess... that's really not what I want to do. But I do have high expectations, especially after losing so much during the split, and looking at all of these recent failed requests and re-confirmations because it turns out that the users in question weren't up to handling the responsibility properly after all. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 17:04, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I got your point - you are trying to play safe. I can fully understand that, and I'm sure that you have every right to be cautious. But, unfortunately, this is absolutely unacceptable for me. Ok, Leon, thank you for your vote, I really appreciate your concern. --Theodorico (talk) 20:18, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'll be looking forward to seeing how you handle this request, and how you work with the extra tools if they are presented to you by the community. It's just a shame that you haven't been put to the test yet, as to alleviate my concerns. But until I've seen irrevocable proof, I will always have to vote no against anybody running for the extra tools and responsibility. I'm glad that you can at least partially understand my position. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:34, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I believe the term for allocating user right is on an "as needed" basis. There is a need for someone with the skills to be able to edit those pages. He has demonstrated the need, and the skills to do fill it. Agent c (talk) 11:54, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to second this, few requests fit the "per need basis" principle as much as his. He needs administrative privileges to do his work, and we need him to do his work.

Limmiegirl ^{Talk! ♪} 08:52, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

A common practice amongst most wikis is asking Wikia to provide different tools for different users. A perfect example would be the bot rights. Theo could easily be a moderator/patroller/regular user and still have the rights given to him to access our css/template/etc. pages if the community here asks Wikia to give him such rights. And I keep seeing a lot of comments stating that they don't care if he's active in the chat/community. These are just minor points I brought up, and I clearly state that my main concern is whether or not he has the proper judgment, or if he can even handle the stresses of dealing with conflict. (Which he has shown to not really have, after leaving for a while over one small argument with one of our Bureaucrats.) And it's left me a bit more concerned when he's been so dismissive of my legitimate critique here. ^{Some Assembly Required!} 20:26, March 7, 2013 (UTC)